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Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by andrekandre » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 10:29 PM UTC

otakucode wrote: post #412

floatingatoll wrote: post #147

One effective way to protest this would be to report videos by high-profile companies such as Microsoft, Amazon, and Google itself. Take a few minutes to look for a video about Azure or AWS or GCP, or a video of a presentation at a conference around such things, and report it as Inappropriate content citing the relevant terms of service. Be very careful only to report content that conforms to the above description —…

This will be ineffective. Google whitelists many channels by large organizations and they are sheltered from any such reports. If 200k reports came in on the next Microsoft video posted, someone at YouTube might notice, but the video would never be taken down. You should read (as should everyone else) Eric Schmidt's book 'A New Digital Age'. In it he lies out his view. Basically (and obviously this is my perspective,…

> because Google is rich, they are Better. The teeming masses of the unwashed must be yolked by their betters. Left to their own devices, the public would destroy themselves and it is the responsibility of Google and other gigacorps to create culture in order to preserve civilization

(probably an unpopular opinion, but...) sounds like neoliberalism

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by Scoundreller » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 10:32 PM UTC

Rebelgecko wrote: post #346

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #159

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There are alternatives. For years I've been following content creators who upload their content to multiple services because they saw the writing on the wall. Bitchute: https://www.dailymotion.com/us Dailymotion: https://www.dailymotion.com/us PeerTube: https://joinpeertube.org/

Some of the banned/demonetized firearms videos have also moved on to sites like Full30 and pornhub

Reminds me of Ebay: wherever it banned a category of products, some other marketplace popped up to fill the void.

By banning, it gave up control of entire sectors.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by vortico » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 10:33 PM UTC

unreal37 wrote: post #507

vortico wrote: post #482

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You omitted the important part: "...with the intent that the teaching, demonstration, or information be used for, or in furtherance of, an activity that constitutes a Federal crime of violence." The teaching alone is legal. The intent to set up someone to commit a crime is what makes it illegal. I can legally teach you how to make a bomb if I do not intend for you to use it for crime.

That is an awfully thin hair to split. I challenge you on that last point. If you tried teaching bomb making in the United States, you would likely have be visited by a couple of ATF folks to have a talk. They would advise you strongly not to teach that. Anyways, best of luck. :)

I was pointing out that your quote was incomplete and cannot be used to support your point. Being visited by law enforcement does not imply that you have committed a crime.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by patrick5415 » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 10:34 PM UTC

ac29 wrote: post #334

Liquix wrote: post #117

Emperor G built a beautiful walled city, inviting everyone in, encouraging them to paint their houses whatever color they like. A year later, Big G banned blue houses. If you didn't like the rules, you were more than welcome to build your house outside the city and paint it whatever color you like. Only most people don't leave - blue is just one color and they weren't very interested in it anyway. Besides, the city i…

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As far as I can tell, a slippery slope is nothing more than a projection based on current and past data. I think it’s foolish to cast out such projection for the mere reason that they are projections. Rather, we ought to debate the quality of the data and model feeding the projection.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by dgudkov » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 10:34 PM UTC

Who thought couple years ago that would be coming.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by MFLoon » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 10:35 PM UTC

root_axis wrote: post #489

50656E6973 wrote: post #477

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>it's not insulin or a house. Again, it's a video entertainment site. It is wholly unimportant in reality. It's the greatest library of educational content in human history.

Why do you think that? YouTube has lots of content, some of it excellent, but the vast majority of it is of dubious educational quality with tons of trash and misinformation. Much of the educational content that is worthwhile is also superficial compared to other sites on the internet that have quality and accuracy standards for their content. Some examples include khan academy, coursera, and udemy. I'd even include…

I think you're both right. It's very dilute, but even so it's many orders of magnitude bigger than the counter-examples you give, and even given the dubious content you have to wade through, the absolute volume of high quality info you can find there is unprecedented. Also it's much lower friction to access (well Wikipedia is about the same, but all the others are gated to varying degrees). So I would contend that YT is uniquely significant as a repository of educational material.

That all being said, I agree with your original point - how they moderate/censor that content is and always has been solely YT's prerogative.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 10:36 PM UTC

loudmax wrote: post #452

analognoise wrote: post #430

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What if Microsoft was offering the best solutions to enterprise, and that's why they kept their stranglehold?

If solutions were independent of the environment, the fix would be easy: simply develop better software than Microsoft. Unfortunately Microsoft owns the stack so it's hard to compete with them on their turf. You can develop for Mac or Linux and sell to a tiny market. Or you can develop for Windows and hope Microsoft decides not to enter your market.

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Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by malvosenior » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 10:41 PM UTC

jjulius wrote: post #503

malvosenior wrote: post #409

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That's a really dangerous attitude to take. Are you really not curious what your own company is up to? Does it matter where the leak came from? How about this. Go to google.com and type the following: "women can" vs. "men can" The bias is clear as day and you don't need Project Veritas to tell you. There were also numerous documents leaked showing extreme left wing bias. You'll probably have seen them as an employee…

Please source these leaked documents you're referencing. If you read through my posts, I've pointed out multiple times in this thread that the docs Project Veritas leaked pertaining to their latest Google video show no attempt at being biased, nor do they single-out right-wing/Conservative/etc. viewpoints.

Sure:

* https://www.projectveritas.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Sc...

* https://www.projectveritas.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/SS...

That second one has some great examples. They're literally talking about editing the search results for Treyvon Martin and George Zimmerman for instance.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by the_pwner224 » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 10:42 PM UTC

b2600 wrote: post #500

the_pwner224 wrote: post #481

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For a number of years now you have to give a phone number to make an account. Doesn't need to be a one-to-one mapping, but it still connects the accounts. It can be evaded by using multiple phone numbers, but if you're working that hard to not be violated by Google then chances are you aren't using Google in the first place.

You don’t need a phone number to open a google or gmail account. It asks for it but it’s a skippable step

That hasn't been my experience on a few occasions over the last few years. Guess they changed it.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by esmi » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 10:44 PM UTC

feanaro wrote: post #248

oconnor663 wrote: post #145

Devil's advocate: There's a very thin line between e.g. the Lockpicking Lawyer doing reviews of different padlock brands and e.g. an instructional video about how to break into someone's house. YouTube knows that if someone posts home invasion instructions, and then someone else watches those instructions and commits a crime, the news media will absolutely 100% blame YouTube, and politicians will jump on them to scor…

Since when is censorship for the sake of preventing people from acquiring knowledge that may be used in a later crime even on the table? This is insanity.

I think oconnor663 would agree that it is insane. I believe the argument is that YouTube needs to protect itself because someone could insinuate that they are complicit in a crime simply because someone was trained in the criminal act via YouTube video.

I think the counter-argument is that no policy will protect YouTube from these types of arguments. If some politician wants to demonize YouTube via hyperbolic argument, then they will find a way. These types of disputes rarely use facts.

YouTube should stick to Free Speech and accept that haters are going to hate. To me this just demonstrates that the YouTube leadership has no backbone.