Women: Learn to Program This Summer

Post by dang » Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 7:07 AM UTC

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That is not enough of a reason. Don't punish me for mistakes done by somebody in the past. Punish me for my mistakes alone. "Even if we're not actively discriminating against women now, bias still remains in this male-dominated industry." This rhetoric is just to confuse people. Any non-active discrimination removes the burden on those who are not facing the bias. Period. Getting equality by stepping over other's hea…

That is not enough of a reason. Don't punish me for mistakes done by somebody in the past. Punish me for my mistakes alone. Ok. We're going to systematically remove all of the advantages you've had over others due to systematic discrimination. Your error was in not recognizing that you were trampling your fellow humans; but the good news is, when you feel discriminated against now, you'll know that it's a correction.…

Post by Guthur » Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 7:22 AM UTC

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> arbitrary euphemisms for gender / racial bias like 'bad culture fit'. You make it sound like there are people out there saying to themselves, "I know I should stop discriminating against under-represented minorities, but I just can't seem to stop myself" as if discriminating were addictive like smoking. If somebody used to discriminate and wants to stop, the solution is to stop discriminating, not discriminate in t…

Rarely are people deliberately discriminating. Instead they have erected systems that, for one reason or another, lead to biases. You cannot stop discriminating while continuing to use these systems.

Post by leereeves » Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 7:47 AM UTC

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You either accept that people can choose their own gender or you don't. People don't get to police the reason someone may identify as female or male. History on social media should have nothing to do with it. Do you think everyone makes this choice at an early age and broadcasts it publicly?

That's not exactly right. As I understand it, you sort of get to choose your gender, but society has to accept your choice. If I declare myself a woman but make no attempt to "live as a woman" as society sees it, I'll appear to be taking advantage of the system, and my choice will be rejected and there will be social consequences. Conversely, if I do appear to be making an honest attempt to be a woman, and you don't…

Post by sisu2019 » Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 8:04 AM UTC

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> arbitrary euphemisms for gender / racial bias like 'bad culture fit'. You make it sound like there are people out there saying to themselves, "I know I should stop discriminating against under-represented minorities, but I just can't seem to stop myself" as if discriminating were addictive like smoking. If somebody used to discriminate and wants to stop, the solution is to stop discriminating, not discriminate in t…

Unconscious bias is a real thing. You can easily have a situation in which no one is intentionally discriminating and yet end up with decidedly non-equal outcomes.

Post by wsy » Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 8:21 AM UTC

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There are so many initiatives out there supporting poor people. True, this one does not. But it seems a bit far-fetched to conclude from this one example that the poor are not supported at all.

Only 4% of Stanford students come from the bottom 20% of family incomes, while 66% come from the top 20%. That's 15 times as many students from wealthy families as poor families.[1] The numbers are similar at other top schools, and feed into everything beyond, including startups. 1: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/college-mobilit...