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Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by mr_toad »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #56

A number of the comments mention monoculture. But where does monculture end and a solid reliable and honest standard begin? For exampke, at some point the power grid and gasoline formulations were standardized, yes? TV screen sizes, tin cans and shipping containers. Is the browser not the shipping container of our time? To call W3C a standard and then have different implementations is no standard at all. That is the…

W3C has had only figurehead status for a number of years now. Browser standards have been defacto agreed by a consortium of the major browser vendors, and W3C have rubber stamped them.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by blablabla123 »

TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

Well to be fair, at many places developers are pushed towards deadlines and leads don't care if stuff works on . Oftentimes it's just a semicolon or one extra css rule to accomplish browser compatibility. Nobody says thanks for extra compatibility.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by Markoff »

meuk wrote: post #311
TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

Well, Opera is a good browser that no-one uses, so it can't be just that. Tbh UX just isn't Microsofts strong suite (although I really like Windows 10).

i would not trust any Chinese browser with my data

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by addicted »

d--b wrote: post #452
cjbprime wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly having trouble making a coherent strategy out of those words, despite knowing what all of them mean. Seems like at the least it is written with way more confidence than could possibly be appropriate.

The problem with electron is that every electron app is shipping with chromium, which means a lot of resources are being duplicated. A way to solve this is to make the JavaScript/html layer part of the OS, so that electron apps would ship as thin layers on top of a the system’s engine (The same way that java applications are thin layers on top of Java’s virtual machine). Apparently, the way Edge is built doesn’t allo…

It’s probably less about the way Edge is built and more about the fact that Electron is explicitly developed and designed to work on Chromium.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by est »

Piskvorrr wrote: post #432
est wrote: post #124

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HTA combined with ActiveXObject can do so much more than crappy w3c standard stuff. dHTML FTW!

Yup. Alas, that's not a feature, that's a gaping security hole. (Had the misfortune of working on a HTA e-mail client. Turns out, some of the VBS viruses of the age were executable in HTA context...hilarity ensued.)

electron apps are basically static linked sandbox.

I am sure upgrading static linked programs is easy. :D

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Post by snarfy »

jccalhoun wrote: post #23

As a firefox fax, I hope this isn't true. The dominance of chrome isn't good for anyone. This will lead to (even more) sites not bothering to be made compatible with Firefox. We are headed back to the "designed for IE" days.

I've been using the Nightly build as my daily browser for a couple years now. It's really good. I rarely need to open chrome for anything.

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Post by PJDK »

lucianoci wrote: post #483
laumars wrote: post #343

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I used to think this too, but After seeing some colleagues using FireFox dev tools and making the switch (back) to Firefox myself, I realised that there really isn’t that much between the two and in fact it’s mire a matter of what you’re used to. Much like the debates about other developer tools in fact (text editors et al).

It's all the small things. Till recently there weren't even react devtools for Firefox. Almost any dev-oriented extension targets chrome first. Chrome has a great devtools protocol, and node conveniently happens to support it too, which is also why many node debugging tools will use chrome. I use Firefox for casual browsing, but all work-y stuff I do in chrome. Sometimes I'll start debugging a site in Firefox and the…

It really is the small things. The one that gets me constantly is that you can't resize the columns in the Network tab.

I appreciate a lot of the stuff Firefox has been doing, but Google was very wise to realise that first class developer support was the winning move.

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Post by wolfgke »

TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

> What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable.

At least in Germany the perception of Chrome is "Google spyware". That is also the reason why in Germany (and I think in many other EU countries, too) Firefox has a much larger marketshare than in the USA. Since Windows 10 already has its spyware image in Germany, this just reinforces the impression (right or wrong) that Microsoft wants to become an even more spyware company.

P.S.: Of course I test my work in Edge.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by bayindirh »

alimbada wrote: post #442
bayindirh wrote: post #258

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Edge is an evolution of Internet Explorer. They removed some of the quirks they have added over the years, modernized the engine, but it's Internet Explorer to its core. It's just rebranded.

No, it's a new browser built from the ground up with none of the baggage of IE.

Any reliable sources? I'd love to read more, and correct my knowledge if it's wrong.

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Post by nwah1 »

canacrypto wrote: post #478
vic20forever wrote: post #370

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> This will be especially true when Firefox inevitably shutters it's in-house efforts in a couple of years due to the amount of sites that won't work with it, and starts using Chromium too. Watching Mozilla align Firefox's extension API with Chromium's, I'm a little surprised that they haven't already made the move. If browser evolution continues along the current path, I predict Firefox will switch to Chromium withi…

I use Firefox as my primary browser and I don't find mainstream websites glitchy at all.

Same. I have found one boutique e-commerce site that wouldn't let me complete a purchase on Firefox, but mainstream sites all work fine.
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