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European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitrust case

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Re: European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitrust case

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How is that not clearly breaching d? They're a part of the same suite of apps that provide the "Android experience" (Google experience, whatever -- the thing that most consumers think of when they consider Android). They manifestly have a profound connection with each other. And let's be clear here lest there be any confusion -- zero customers want a vendor to do anything different, and the only reason some vendors w…

Are there car dealers trying to offer a la carte car + entertainment system packages but are being shut down by BMW?

Car manufacturers have been doing custom after market upgrades for cars for years - including the audio system.

Re: European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitrust case

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What scares me about this huge fine is that someone else than Google is going to have to pay for it. Maybe the stock shareholders are the ones paying the price or maybe it will be us, the end consumers.

Expect pricey freemium models coming to the Google product line in the coming years, which will give the green light to other companies to push higher prices for software.

We've already entered the age of monthly subscriptions, the amount of iOS apps using this system is growing at an unprecedented rate. Get ready!

What do you say?

Re: European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitrust case

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>In particular, Google has prevented manufacturers wishing to pre-install Google apps from selling even a single smart mobile device running on alternative versions of Android that were not approved by Google (so-called "Android forks"). Sounds a lot how Microsoft abused licensing agreements with OEMs to discourage them from selling PCs not bundled with Windows. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundling_of_Microsoft_Win…

Also Internet Explorer. This case seems almost a mirror of MS except in the phone space instead of PC. Only difference is that when the issue came up in Congress, MS was confrontational with regulators and Google cut some fat checks.

Also Chrome. Chrome was the biggest shocker to many @ Goog. Even as a Noogler, people often sit down in cafeteria and talked about how Chrome got traction and so popular only because it got a main spot on Google's homepage; something noone, no company or individual advertiser can ever bid for. If that's not Google's "Microsoft Internet Explorer anti-trust" moment, then nothing is.

Re: European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitrust case

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Is this yet another case of trying to apply an American interpretation to a European law? I thought we all had a similar discussion when GDPR came into effect.

Hopefully it isn't yet another case of smug Europeans preening and going "Oh, you stupid Americans, our regulators are different and would never levy gigantic fines. Instead, they come give you a hug and have a cup of tea and politely ask you to please stop, and they would never ever in a billion years abuse this extremely wide-ranging law for political ends!"

Every time a US company is fined there are people that claim it is all protectionism and punishment with nothing to back it up (ironic, considering the degree of protectionism the US engages in).

They are just sour that their precious tech companies are being brought to task for behaving like shitty house guests by not following the rules.

These companies might be able to get away with whatever the hell they please back home but get this; the American Way isn't the only way.

It's just a very shitty dismissal of the very real concerns of US tech companies and their disregard for the laws and regulations in the countries in which they operate. Laws and regulations that EU companies have to follow too.

The only real upset here comes from companies like Google, and their rabid supporters at the prospect of them not being able to implement their shitty consumer-hostile, ring-fencing business model in other countries.

Google were given two year's notice before this fine. TWO YEARS.

It's their own damn fault and the fine is punitive, as it should be.

Re: European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitrust case

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So, according to the EU, it is illegal to open source OS components (thus allowing anyone to use it without further input from Google as long as the license is followed), but then close source other components and the services that drive them, although they are given out for free, but require specific licensing in the contract to distribute said free closed source components and services on their OEM devices, of whic…

Dude you literally did not understand a single word of the ruling.

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it's certainly far from trivial to remove the search bar at the top of the home screen. i tried once, it broke android, and i had to reset the entire OS. but, tbf, the entire process did take <1 minute

Install another home screen, probably can be done in a minute. It is much easier than trying to modify anything at all about the iOS or Windows Phone home screens.

why all comparisons here to iOS? they are not in a dominant position. anti-trust laws apply to you if you are in a dominant position.

how iOS handles things are completely irrelevant here.

Re: European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitrust case

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5b is about one of Google's quarterly earnings.

5b is about one quarter of profit for Google. It's practically peanuts, 0.4% of their market capitalization.

In return for not having to compete on equal terms in a giant market for years, that seems like a defensible deal for Google even if the fine is large per se.

Re: European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitrust case

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ITT Americans don't care about companies (especially American ones) that abuse their positions as monopolies.

I do care about companies that abuse their position as a monopoly. I think its probably right that Google gets fined for not allowing companies to sell Android forks. What I have a problem with is that if a company is doing some standard business practice, like paying a different company to exclusively use their product, that is okay when they are a not a monopoly but that suddenly become not okay because they have been successful.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also Internet Explorer. This case seems almost a mirror of MS except in the phone space instead of PC. Only difference is that when the issue came up in Congress, MS was confrontational with regulators and Google cut some fat checks.

Also Chrome. Chrome was the biggest shocker to many @ Goog. Even as a Noogler, people often sit down in cafeteria and talked about how Chrome got traction and so popular only because it got a main spot on Google's homepage; something noone, no company or individual advertiser can ever bid for. If that's not Google's "Microsoft Internet Explorer anti-trust" moment, then nothing is.

What is a "noogler"?

Re: European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitrust case

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Can anyone concisely explain what this fine is for, and also why the same wouldn't apply to Apple for iOS? It seems to be a rehash of the issue that Microsoft faced when it only gave you Internet Explorer on install. But iOS comes with only Safari on install, and forces you to use Apple's various apps - how is this any different?

This one is much worse because although Microsoft tried to get complete control of the PC platform many years ago, they never managed to prevent people from installing other operating systems on their PCs. Had Microsoft the same power Google has now on mobile platforms, I would be writing this post using Windows 10 instead of Debian because Linux as well as *BSD and others would either not exist or could never proper…

Binary driver blobs exist because of IP concerns of the hardware suppliers, particularly the camera, fingerprint, and modem.

The fact those parts are closed hasn't stopped people releasing custom ROMs. Google and Sony even help you do this.

https://developers.google.com/android/drivers https://developer.sony.com/develop/open-devices/

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