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Re: OnHub

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Post by Johnny555 »

kalleboo wrote: post #504
yc1010 wrote: post #381

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"Please note that some features may not function with certain privacy settings turned off, and some information (such as the association of your Google Account to your OnHub) is stored by Google even if all privacy controls are turned off" I am sticking with my Asus AC66U which has more features and is also cheaper than this Google device http://amzn.com/B008ABOJKS

I'd trust the Google device more simply because Google is better at software. With hardware companies like Asus you get routers full of terrible, insecure software. http://www.securityweek.com/asus-routers-plagued-command-exe... Although I'm sure you're using DD-WRT or something...

Even software from Google sometimes has security holes:

http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/08/google-pushes-update...

Here's more... granted, these aren't all vulnerabilities that Google is responsible for, but many are:

http://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-1224/...

Re: OnHub

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Post by thrownaway2424 »

yellowapple wrote: post #258
thrownaway2424 wrote: post #90

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The AC68U is the perfect AP for the discerning user who enjoys going into the basement every two weeks to reboot things.

Why would you put your router in the basement? That's horrible for whole-house reception unless you have repeaters on each floor.

My TV is also in the basement and that's the most demanding wifi load I have.

Re: OnHub

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Post by thrownaway2424 »

dvlsg wrote: post #124
thrownaway2424 wrote: post #90

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The AC68U is the perfect AP for the discerning user who enjoys going into the basement every two weeks to reboot things.

I've had mine for over a year now, and I've only had to reboot it 3 times - 4 if you count the time I unplugged it and moved to a new city.

If you have to manually reboot something quarterly then it's a piece of shit. Your standards are way too low.

Re: OnHub

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Post by dublinben »

83457 wrote: post #346
dazbradbury wrote: post #76

Interesting - but I'm not sure what this gives me over something in a similar price range, for example: http://www.amazon.com/RT-AC68U-Wireless-AC1900-Dual-Band-Gig... Presumably either you know something about routers and want to enable QoS, install your own firmware, or use some other advanced feature - and you spend money on a decent router. Or you don't, and use whatever your ISP provides (which if it's bad, you…

anyone know how this compares to mikrotik's router which was recommended to me and I have in my cart about to purchase? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BGIXOHQ any suggestion on docsis3 modem?

You can't go wrong with the Motorola SB6141. It's 8x4 bands, and certified to work with pretty much every cable provider around.

Re: OnHub

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Post by wbillingsley »

endtime wrote: post #215
andrewla wrote: post #184

From [1] Get started Welcome! To set up your OnHub, you’ll also need: Google account Android or iOS device Broadband connection Google account? That seems like an unnecessary requirement for a router. [1] https://on.google.com/hub/support/#get-started

(Disclaimer: I work for the same former-division-of-Google-and-now-Alphabet-subsidiary that built this, though I don't work on OnHub.) I think you need an account for cloud-based configuration, credential sharing, etc. Maybe it's not for everyone, but I think it makes sense as a product. I highly doubt they added a Google account requirement to improve ad targeting.

Not directly, but they would certainly have included it as an entry point to bring users into Google's account-driven services, and to make a Google account "stickier".

That indirectly does increase ad revenue and targeting, and you can be sure that over time different people in the company will keep having the "bright idea" that if they correlate OnHub data with data from Analytics, DNS, and location services, they can improve ad-targeting by 0.x%, leading to $Y million in additional revenue, and within a few years it will be.

Re: OnHub

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Post by chronic40 »

patrickyeon wrote: post #339
otis_inf wrote: post #335

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> I highly doubt they added a Google account requirement to improve ad targeting. Ad delivery networks, and google is one of the biggest, have one core business: delivering ads. Everything is setup to make that as big and as solid as possible. Whatever it takes (and we all know how far ad delivery networks will go: almost infinitely far). Now they ship a piece of hardware, require signing up with an account, and it's…

I'm not going to say you're wrong, but Google has an interest in maximizing the number of people who have consistent, reliable, enjoyable internet experiences. If this hardware does not collect data to help them target ads (and that may very well be the case), but causes more eyeballs to spend more time online where they will find Google-hosted ads, it helps their core business AND the customer.

Just like Facebook's Internet.org is not intended to make Facebook money via ads, right?

Re: OnHub

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Post by tajano »

adamkochanowicz wrote: post #509

How does it–It's really fast! Yes but how can it be faster–Why is fast good? Because of all the things you do in your life. Okay, but what technology does—Circular antenna LOLz!1

It's fast because it supports the 802.11ac standard, which offers faster rates than 802.11n. The 802.11ac standard provisions for various rates, including the 1900 Mbps rate supported by this device. That's 600 Mbps over the 2.4 GHz band, plus 1,300 Mbps over the 5 GHz band.

802.11ac enables faster rates primarily by supporting wider bandwidths, more antennas, and larger symbol constellations (each symbol transmitted over the wireless channel can take on one value from a larger set of possible values, thereby conveying more information per symbol).

Re: OnHub

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Post by dublinben »

exelius wrote: post #194
snuxoll wrote: post #166

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So not true, the RT-AC68U will walk circles around any eMTA an ISP will give you. The eMTA's cable companies give are expensive because a DOCSIS 3.0 modem is already $80 on average, adding a VoIP gateway and WLAN router plus a sufficient profit margin adds up.

Well, basically, a $200 home router will peak well before maxing out a 150 mbps connection unless you turn off all the QoS, UPnP and security features... but at that point you're better off just using the eMTA (which can handle the speed because it never had any of those features in the first place).

This is completely untrue. Even a sub-$100 TP-Link router will provide 800+ Mbps routing, far higher than a typical broadband connection.

Re: OnHub

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Post by GutenYe »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #285
andresmanz wrote: post #266

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Thanks, but shouldn't these features be optional? I still don't get why I need a Google Account.

The router is cloud configured from your mobile device, that is how it works. Some cloud services for the device are actually optional. But AFAIK you still need a Google Account. Here is the help page on the topic of data collection and privacy: https://support.google.com/onhub/answer/6246642?hl=en&ref_to... And see also, how to set a whole bunch of privacy settings: https://support.google.com/onhub/answer/6279845?vi…

For users in some country can't access Google Account (e.g. China), Can I still buy and use it? That'll be no Google Account on daily use.

Re: OnHub

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Post by jfoster »

Johnny555 wrote: post #511
kalleboo wrote: post #504

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I'd trust the Google device more simply because Google is better at software. With hardware companies like Asus you get routers full of terrible, insecure software. http://www.securityweek.com/asus-routers-plagued-command-exe... Although I'm sure you're using DD-WRT or something...

Even software from Google sometimes has security holes: http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/08/google-pushes-update... Here's more... granted, these aren't all vulnerabilities that Google is responsible for, but many are: http://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-1224/...

All software has security vulnerabilities, but organisations have vastly different attitudes toward fixing vulnerabilities as they are identified, and potentially different capabilities when it comes to fixing vulnerabilities in a timely manner.
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