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Re: Linus on "acting professionally"

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kragen wrote: post #498
e40 wrote: post #497

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First, Erik wasn't Lisp. He didn't even work for a Lisp company, except for consulting for Franz briefly. Second, your cause and effect meter is way off. The resurgence of Lisp happened because there were a LOT of people out of work in 2001 and many of them started working on CMUCL and SBCL. Erik's influence ended outside of comp.lang.lisp and the influence of that usenet group was fairly small, in the greater scheme…

Lisp didn't resurge because SBCL started being developed again. SBCL, although I like it, is still relatively little used, in the overall scheme of things, a scheme which includes Clojure, elisp, Racket, Clisp, Chicken, TinyScheme, Guile, Arc, MCL, and so on. Lisp resurged because new hackers started using Lisp again, maybe in part because of pg, but I think in large part because they didn't get driven away by Erik.…

comp.lang.lisp has long lost any importance. Most Common Lisp users have moved on. The communication infrastructure shifted to the mailing lists ( http://dir.gmane.org/index.php?prefix=gmane.lisp ) and the #lisp IRC channel. That's where the real work was done. Even much random talk now has been moved since quite some time to reddit / lisp, stackoverflow, planet lisp and even Twitter #lisp.

comp.lang.lisp is long dead.

Re: Linus on "acting professionally"

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Post by kragen »

lispm wrote: post #501
kragen wrote: post #498

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lisp didn't resurge because SBCL started being developed again. SBCL, although I like it, is still relatively little used, in the overall scheme of things, a scheme which includes Clojure, elisp, Racket, Clisp, Chicken, TinyScheme, Guile, Arc, MCL, and so on. Lisp resurged because new hackers started using Lisp again, maybe in part because of pg, but I think in large part because they didn't get driven away by Erik.…

comp.lang.lisp has long lost any importance. Most Common Lisp users have moved on. The communication infrastructure shifted to the mailing lists ( http://dir.gmane.org/index.php?prefix=gmane.lisp ) and the #lisp IRC channel. That's where the real work was done. Even much random talk now has been moved since quite some time to reddit / lisp, stackoverflow, planet lisp and even Twitter #lisp. comp.lang.lisp is long dea…

Indeed, comp.lang.lisp is now irrelevant; but it wasn't irrelevant at the time Erik retired from it, despite his strenuous efforts.

However, I wasn't talking about only Common Lisp users, but about users of all Lisps. Elisp and Clojure have similarly-sized Freenode channels #emacs and #clojure, each substantially bigger than #lisp. Various estimates of the number of Emacs users put them around 5–50k people: there are perhaps around 15000 Elisp users http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3311227/emacs-user-base-s... or 0.5% of Ubuntu users using Elisp http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/35312/emacs-u... (some tens of thousands) or 5300 Github users with Elisp repositories http://www.quora.com/How-many-people-use-emacs-per-day?share....

Re: Linus on "acting professionally"

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Post by lispm »

kragen wrote: post #502
lispm wrote: post #501

Earlier quoted context omitted.

comp.lang.lisp has long lost any importance. Most Common Lisp users have moved on. The communication infrastructure shifted to the mailing lists ( http://dir.gmane.org/index.php?prefix=gmane.lisp ) and the #lisp IRC channel. That's where the real work was done. Even much random talk now has been moved since quite some time to reddit / lisp, stackoverflow, planet lisp and even Twitter #lisp. comp.lang.lisp is long dea…

Indeed, comp.lang.lisp is now irrelevant; but it wasn't irrelevant at the time Erik retired from it, despite his strenuous efforts. However, I wasn't talking about only Common Lisp users, but about users of all Lisps. Elisp and Clojure have similarly-sized Freenode channels #emacs and #clojure, each substantially bigger than #lisp. Various estimates of the number of Emacs users put them around 5–50k people: there are…

How is using an editor making them Lisp users? Are users of Google's flight search engine, written in Common Lisp, making them Common Lisp users? Are AutoCAD users Lisp users?

How many Emacs users just use it? How many already need help to configure .emacs ?

Re: Linus on "acting professionally"

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Post by kragen »

lispm wrote: post #503
kragen wrote: post #502

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, comp.lang.lisp is now irrelevant; but it wasn't irrelevant at the time Erik retired from it, despite his strenuous efforts. However, I wasn't talking about only Common Lisp users, but about users of all Lisps. Elisp and Clojure have similarly-sized Freenode channels #emacs and #clojure, each substantially bigger than #lisp. Various estimates of the number of Emacs users put them around 5–50k people: there are…

How is using an editor making them Lisp users? Are users of Google's flight search engine, written in Common Lisp, making them Common Lisp users? Are AutoCAD users Lisp users? How many Emacs users just use it? How many already need help to configure .emacs ?

Typically AutoCAD users are not AutoLISP users. (By the way, AutoLISP conses are also immutable, although you have complained that the immutability and resulting "persistence" of Clojure lists counts against calling it a Lisp.) But typically Emacs users are indeed Elisp users, because they read, write, and modify Elisp code. That's why there are several thousand Elisp repositories on GitHub.

Re: Linus on "acting professionally"

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Post by phryk »

Monotoko wrote: post #370
jwilliams wrote: post #197

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The OP was just commenting that they didn't find abuse and profanity productive. They didn't mention censoring anyone. They said it didn't work for them. Do you have one single way of expressing yourself? Do you use profanity 100% of the time? Do you automatically reject all feedback on how you express yourself? ... On how you write code? ... Or how you interact with your colleagues? Because, from your comment, that'…

My coding comments often include the words "Fuck", "Shit" and "Cunt" when things are not going my way.

So all your comments are lacking is a bag of dicks. :3
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