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France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls
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Re: France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls
#502Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm personally atheistic, and thus have no religious practices whatsoever. However, just like it's legal to build churches, to ring church bells, to wear visible religious imagery, it's also legal and highly protected to talk to others, even strangers, about your religious beliefs (or lack thereof).
How did it work out for the pastafarians?
Not sure if they tried to do this in the UK, which I believe has very different standards to the USA for what it means for something to be a legitimate religious practice. In the USA I believe they actually succeeded in obtaining various religious exemptions, such as wearing a collander on their head in driver's license photos.
Re: France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls
#503As a young telecom engineer working in "Intelligent Networks" in the late 90's in the UK, I learnt that UK phones had a code that could be dialed during a call, so that the line could not hang up anymore.
That was geared against telemarketers or abusers, so that the callee could fetch a police officer that would acknowledge the fraudulent call.
Today all this data exists in databases. It would be so easy to check call logs from telemarketers to check if they ever called someone on a do-not-call list.
Re: France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls
#504Re: France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls
#505Earlier quoted context omitted.
There doesn't need to be any kind of technical solution. If a telemarketer wants to sell something, they must declare the name of their company. The company name can be reported to police (or whatever authorities are going to handle this) who can then fine the telemarketers.
Sounds like a great way for unscrupulous companies to attack their competitors. First, I am 100% for this legislation, but, as has been mentioned numerous times, here, it needs to be enforced. We probably also need to marry it with a technical solution, that ensures that unverified numbers cannot be used (no spoofing possible). Maybe a national "blacklist" of bad numbers, with a "three strikes and you're out" kind of…
I'm sure that the phone operators will not be happy about such a blacklist: they sell those numbers. Furthermore, they profit from spam calls in several ways.
Re: France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls
#506Earlier quoted context omitted.
International calls pay whatever the caller network wants them to pay. You're assuming that the caller network isn't part of the scam.
Incorrect, it's the callee network
Sure but the caller network bills the telemarketer and they could be in cahoots.
Re: France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls
#507Great idea! Telemarketers have ruined the phone network for me. I haven't answered an unknown call for the past 10 years, which sometimes means I miss important ones. 99.9% of all calls are an attempt to get money, and the 0.1% that's a dentist appointment, a friend that changed numbers or whatever become collateral damage. A ban is the right idea but I wonder how they can handle it, logistically. I think there needs…
They've banned it here in the Netherlands since 1st July. Now, just nobody calls me at all
Re: France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls
#508That's great. Netherland banned them a couple of years ago. Unfortunately I still receive them. Sometimes a lot. A year or two ago, I received calls almost every week from a major TV/internet provider (Ziggo-Vodafone; total crooks). I told them not to call me again, I complained to the regulator, but as far as I can tell, nothing was ever done about it. So banning it is great, but you still need to enforce that law.
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Re: France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls
#509Earlier quoted context omitted.
Excuse me? What exactly do you mean by “those people??!” You’re on thin ice, buddy.
Come on! It was a reply. The people in question are in the parent. They are the "at least 900k+ people in France either immigrant from Marocco or with an origin and a 100k+ people with french nationality or origin living in Marocco". It’s rather obvious.
EXCUSE ME??!
Re: France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls
#510In my personal experience basically all spam calls in France come from a fixed set of number prefixes. [0] So phone companies could just offer to block those prefixes - it would be a trivial solution to the problem. But it's not an option [1], so either they make good money from those calls, or there's some other hurdle or legal issue. Either way the new law could (in addition to making it illegal for companies to ma…
No, that's a bad idea. There's no hurdle or legal issue, and money isn't behind it either. Those "prefixes" (area codes) are all the same segments of this or that national numbering plan that are also allocated by legitimate businesses both for placing legitimate outbound calls to their customers and for numbers that connect e.g. switchboards/IVRs to serve customers who are calling in.
If a specific region (or more likely: operators within it) are responsible for the vast majority of abusive traffic, then absolutely they should bear the consequences of this. Yes, there's collateral damage, but those negatively affected by being unable to make legitimate calls should be a prime lobby for effective egress control from their respective operators and regulators.
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