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Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by dbspin »

bigyabai wrote: post #77
dbspin wrote: post #70

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I'd like to question that premise. Open models are great for research, privacy, cost, customisation and a host of other things... But they're also going to be the engine that breaks the world. I'm already surprised that we haven't seen Llama / Qwen + Whisper automated spear phishing at scale. It's literally just a matter of time. Given the incredible progress in image and video generation, it's been clear for a coupl…

> the problems so vexatious (not to mention expensive) that little space is given to acknowledging them, let alone solving them. These problems will exist regardless of whether or not we get open model access. I'd personally rather that OpenAI and Anthropic aren't profiting off these scammers, creating a perverse incentive that open model providers don't have.

That's not the case at all. You can regulate and audit a small number of players. To a great extent at least. You cannot even theoretically regulate local models. Hell I've got a jailbroken Qwen 3.5 running on my mac studio that has no guardrails at all.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by throw1234567891 »

iwjxjwjdjw wrote: post #410
xyproto wrote: post #394

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NVIDIA created quality (but proprietary) drivers for Linux early on, when supporting Linux at all was not a given. They should get at least a tiny bit of credit for this.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. They’ve all but abandoned these so called quality drivers since, so no, no credit is deserved.

Unless it's a 24 hour clock. Then only once.

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Post by [deleted] »

semiquaver wrote: post #272
s0ss wrote: post #253

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Open source != open weight. Big difference and it bugs me that nobody seems to care about using the right words in only this context.

Words mean what people use them to mean. Ship has sailed whether you approve or not.

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by throw1234567891 »

Melatonic wrote: post #110
blueSky1989 wrote: post #67

My favorite paragraph from Zuckerberg's writeup: """ [...] it is surprising that the discourse from many developing AI is so filled with doom. I do not understand why anyone who believes that AI will eliminate most jobs and much of humanity's relevance would rush to build that future. The notion that AI is so dangerous that the only safe path is an extreme concentration of power seems inherently problematic. Historic…

Broken clock is right twice a day. And in this case I think is quite correct

Unless it is a digital clock stuck on some time. Then only once.

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Post by throw1234567891 »

paxys wrote: post #88
frenchtoast8 wrote: post #72

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Any particular quote you want to share?

It is one page of text. I think you can manage to read it and come to your own conclusions without relying on clickbait headlines and out of context quotes. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/23/technology/meta-layoffs.h...

Nope. Sorry. Negative. Paywall.

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Post by raffael_de »

axegon_ wrote: post #239
bushido wrote: post #226

I think something that doesn't get said enough is Meta did, albeit intentionally kick off the origin of the open source race back in 2023 with the release of llama. I'm not a big fan of meta in general, but they've done enough good, and it's possible that it was intentional as well. I don't know, I wasn't in the rooms, and I think it's worth giving them some reasonable doubt. No one is purely good, and no one is pure…

That's simply not true. The reason why llama is open source is simply because it got leaked, then llama.cpp was the real game changer which was built from the ground up in depressingly short amount of time. Meta had no choice but to take the L and "support" the open source community. The angry "I-hate-you-and-I-hope-you-die" kind of support.

the "albeit" gives away that the person you're responding to intended to write "unintentionally".

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Post by axegon_ »

xyproto wrote: post #394
flaburgan wrote: post #340

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It is also a company with a terrible history regarding open-source. AMD is much better from every point of view.

NVIDIA created quality (but proprietary) drivers for Linux early on, when supporting Linux at all was not a given. They should get at least a tiny bit of credit for this.

Quality? Calling those "quality" is a bit of a stretch. Installing was and still is a gamble and so is every tiny system update. That hasn't changed a bit. And I'm saying that as someone who was first introduced to Linux on a Matrox GPU.

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Post by AussieWog93 »

kakacik wrote: post #466
somenameforme wrote: post #439

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Not to be coy, but what is happening right now? You definitely have some scams and some software flaws being exposed, but I think for a revolutionary leap in tech this is all quite muted. Revolutionary tech advances often come with some severe consequences. For instance, to this day (after a century of safety improvements) cars still kill more than a million people a year, to say nothing of wrecking the atmosphere, b…

Thats like, your opinion man... I don't know a single white collar person who isn't worried for their job with llms. Every. Single. One. Lawyers, doctors, any type of office workers I ask. The definition of white collar. Plus don't let me start on various automatable blue collar jobs like drivers, warehouse workers and so on. What do we get in return? Better search (for now, its already getting riddled with ads which…

I'm going to say it - I think you're just spending a lot of time around very negative people, possibly in a social media bubble.

A lot of the stuff you mentioned isn't really AI (the risk of job loss from which I agree is real), but just everyday stuff that humanity has shrugged off since the dawn of time.

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