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US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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I like the argument and it seems valid, but I have heard the opposite from people working in commercial cybersecurity.

People who work in commercial cybersecurity might have a vested interest in looking like warriors at least.

I don't think these did. They'd also quit because they felt it was too much work, now that the cybersecurity situation had gone mad.

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Israel will happily flatten a whole apartment complex to get one guy.

The real truth is that Israel is happy to flatten entire, crowded, apartment complexes. That "one guy" is just an excuse. Most recent example (out of at least 100,000 examples in just these last 3 years alone) would be their "defence" (hah!) minister delightedly boasting how they have Gaza'fied South Lebanon and destroyed over 15,000 structures.

Careful, this is borderline antiseptic

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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post #388

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Which part of "attack enemies" implies they were targeting innocent people?

Let's see. They were part of the US military, right? In just this war alone, they started by triple tapping an ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, murdering nearly 200 little children. And on the same day, they attacked a SPORTS STADIUM, completely vapourising a women's volleyball team who were in the midst of a game. And that was just ... DAY ONE. By now, we should be asking - if you're a member of the US military on active duty in…

To be accurate, the elementary school was:

   - Built as part of an IRGCN base (that base was closed in 2013)
   - Within 100 yards of the perimeter of an active IRGCN base at the time of the strike
   - Targeted as a result of extensive use of Palantir's Maven Smart System and Claude by the US military to pre-identify targets
Wikipedia has an extensively cited entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Minab_school_attack

Given all of that, I think the most accurate takeaway would be that the US military is deficient in their target approval process. (Arguably grossly so, though that's an international law legal question)

There's been less investigation into the background behind the Lamerd sports hall attack, but it's fairly certainly an intended US strike, likely for the same reason that the Azadi stadium was hit: assumption that it would be used as a muster point for an Iranian military response.

My takeaway from the atrocities is that there need to be substantial updates to international laws of war around (a) automated target approval (even worse excesses by the Israelis in the initial Gaza strikes) and ultimate human responsibility and (b) more strongly defining what constitutes due diligence in intelligence and classification of military targets.

Currently, both are far too nebulous and will likely lead to both incidents being classified as war as usual. Whereas there was a plausible route to both being removed as targets with even non-manual open source intelligence scraping (substantial patterns of school activity over years and the volleyball game schedule, respectively).

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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This is a fascinating assertion. I would love to read more about it. Can you please provide some sources?

Can you think of a single person who has cured their mental health problem?

As a man who has cured (inasmuch as something like that word is valid in this context) mental health problems with the help of therapy, I'll raise my hand as an example.

Personal perspective, but I'd argue there are an entire class of mental health problems that are perspective-based.

I.e. I am acting in a way that is harmful to myself and/or others because I see the situation in a maladaptive way.

Talk therapy (with a sufficiently intelligent and skilled therapist, of which there is a great lack vs demand) can be effective at changing perspectives, which can ultimately allow changing the behaviors they create.

Some mental health problems are biochemical, but there are a lot that are just "The way you see the world is making you an asshole. Don't want to be an asshole? Try seeing it a different way."

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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From a life spent on count statistics, one thing I think is interesting is how definitively you can reject perfect randomness from a very small sample like this. The expected event count from 17,000 people exposed to a month of constant uniform event risk with an annual hazard rate of 20 per 100,000 per year is 0.28. The p-value for observing a count of 5 from a (Poissonian) mean of 0.28 is 1 in 100,000. So it's pret…

You hinted at this in your last sentence, so I assume you're aware, but I feel like spelling it out anyways: There's many slices of ~10-20k people you can divide the US (military) in, many of them overlapping. What is the chance that in some year at least one of the slices will say "Hey, we had excess suicides!" - much higher.

Maybe the real reason that small sample sizes don't tell you anything is because there's tons of small samples in the world, and the particular one you're looking at has almost certainly been selected for unusualness.

It's a multiple comparison problem that you don't know is a multiple comparison problem because you yourself didn't do the comparisons. You just got the result of them.

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This american citizen minor certainly was. And the claim of collateral damage is already shown false by the fact that they went after the kid (16 years old) intentionally, twice. Even after they knew his father was already dead. Oh, and by the way, they never indicted the father or showed evidence against the father either. Neither were in a war zone of any sort. The other examples on the second wikipedia link were l…

I am just against this racist thing where it is worse to kill an American citizen than a non-citizen.

Got it. That's definitely not what I meant. And I understand wanting to make your distinction clear.

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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I’m speaking with regards to the American legal system. Yes the endless foreign wars are also unconstitutional.

But do you think it was wrong to kill Bin Ladin since you see him as innocent since he didn’t have his day in court?

Bin Laden was indicted in a court of law multiple times for multiple crimes over a decade. The evidence presented was clear. https://www.internationalcrimesdatabase.org/Case/947/Bin-Lad... None of these disposition matrix assassinations ever had evidence against them presented in court. The terrorists in the executive branch and their terrorist enforcers in the military just assassinated them without trial.

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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> Is that why he bombed Iran and single-handedly caused a global energy crisis? Yes. Oil price hurts China industrial capacity more than the US economy. Oil companies made a $93 billion profit amid the war [1]. The US is a net oil exporter, while China halved their oil imports [2]. ExxonMobil and Chevron are US-incorporated. TotalEnergies (French) BP (UK), Shell (UK) also have significant US-based ownership (~50%, ~2…

> The US is a net oil exporter, while China halved their oil imports [2]. This seems to be the opposite point you want. Everybody is going to have increased expenses for everything due to their oil dependency _except_ China. Which will raise the price of Chinese exports to the market price but giving China a lot of producer surplus. Or China can keep doing it's Belt & Road plans and grant other countries money to hel…

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Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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Glad to see this brought up! My entire Air Force experience is blocked to comment on besides basic training...Tech school and forward is NDA'd, read in, etc You don't really get to sneak a glimpse of operations and write a book like the SEALs seem get to (jk!)

Your tech school is not nda'd.

Significant parts of my tech school (1B4X1) were under NDA back in 2015.

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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post #369

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You are absolutely fucking full of shit. I chose to "go into war zones" many times and none of it was to "enjoy killing people".

Not sure what military is being discussed. In the US military, you do not choose to go into combat zones. You receive orders to deploy you to a combat zone.

Sure you do, I did.

True, not everyone has such a choice, but I volunteered for the organization I wanted to work for and then I volunteered for multiple deployments I didn't have to go on. Many of us have that choice and make that choice.

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