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China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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Re: China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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This guy carried out an organized domestic terrorist attack with help from others, actually killed someone as well as badly injuring another, and got only 41 years. Why the disparity? The Federal Building where he murdered the security guard is just an administrative building; at least the people in Texas were motivated by the somewhat reasonable belief that they were attacking guards at a concentration camp. https:/…

>a concentration camp Most people at these facilities can leave at any time, right? Just so long as it isn't back into the United States? They can return to their country of origin, or another country. I'm sure someone will offer a correction if this particular facility was holding people for other crimes in addition to their unauthorized alien status.

I use the phrase concentration camp not to dispute the legality of their detention, but to draw attention to the deplorable conditions thereof. Just because it may be legal to detain does not mean the state has the right to abuse them or hold them in deplorable conditions.

https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/detained-immigra...

Re: China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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again, you're approaching it from perspective "both sides get caught" being a possibility when in actuality the choice is between "both sides steal" or "one side steals" and allowing both sides to steal is in no way better --- the main way desired "both sides get caught" state becomes a thing is after "one side" splits in two - still being close in horizontal connections to stabilize, but with developed instruments f…

No, I tried to be pretty clear that "at least one side got caught" is not always better than "nobody got caught" if corruption dictates who gets caught.

it's not corruption that dictates who gets caught - it's power balance

crying about oppression only leaves you stuck in "everyone steals" state

Re: China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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> If you can't be bothered to verify claims then don't cast doubt. It's the opposite: If you post claims then others will absolutely cast doubt and it's up to you to verify them. No way other people should do it for you (that's also very inefficient - you already know how to verify them and also it's redundant for everyone else to do it). Even better, you'll see people cite their claims before anyone asks. In any ser…

It's a comment section, and those are common sense observations about the Chinese economy. Like I said, you don't need to be convinced, it will continue happening whether you agree or not.

They're not commonsense - most disagree with what I know - and just saying they are is just stuff. Saying it will continue to happen isn't evidence. Just saying things doesn't mean anything.

> It's a comment section

Not just any comment section; HN plays by different rules. Look at how others interact. Just spouting claims doesn't get you far.

Re: China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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post #453

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"lazy Americans" > easily verifiable claims. I disagree that they are verifiable, not being factual statements. But if you think so, then verify them. I'm not going around HN verifying the claims in everyone else's comments.

I didn't mean to call you lazy, I hadn't seen any evidence that you see Beijing and Moscow as undifferentiated other, which is the habit of thought I did call lazy. You are awfully contrarian for someone whose response to an argument is "that's not proven to my satisfaction" and when asked what citations would satisfy you replies "it's not my job to define what citations I will and won't admit". You do you king, but…

> when asked what citations would satisfy you replies "it's not my job to define what citations I will and won't admit".

That exchange never happened - maybe you're thinking of someone else?

> I'll wager your mind was made up

You can see how empty the Sinophile side is: they will talk about anything, say anything, but provide actual substance as a basis for their claims.

Re: China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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What, in your estimation, is the difference between saving face in China versus keeping-up-with-the-Joneses in America?

There's no "in my estimation" - this is a well-researched topic and the vast majority of sociologists agree that there is a major cultural difference between the two, starting with the fact that "keeping up with the Joneses" is an individual act of pride vs "saving face" in China not only involves individual pride of an objectively greater magnitude, but also a collective pride that is rare in Western cultures and al…

What does saving face as a collective mean, in your estimation?

When Americans apologise to non-Americans for the behaviour of American tourists abroad, is that collective face saving?

How does a “diverse enough” media diet give someone the “same experience”? Maybe you’re picking and choosing media to reinforce your inner biases?

Re: China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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There's no "in my estimation" - this is a well-researched topic and the vast majority of sociologists agree that there is a major cultural difference between the two, starting with the fact that "keeping up with the Joneses" is an individual act of pride vs "saving face" in China not only involves individual pride of an objectively greater magnitude, but also a collective pride that is rare in Western cultures and al…

What does saving face as a collective mean, in your estimation? When Americans apologise to non-Americans for the behaviour of American tourists abroad, is that collective face saving? How does a “diverse enough” media diet give someone the “same experience”? Maybe you’re picking and choosing media to reinforce your inner biases?

You clearly have both zero exposure to any sort of Eastern culture, and you also didn't read any of the sources in that Wikipedia page - and instead of doing either of those (because you know that if you do, you'll be proven wrong and/or have to content with cognitive dissonance), you're trying to catch me with a gotcha. It's clear you're not operating in good faith - any person genuinely trying to understand would do one of those things, and you're not.

> Maybe you’re picking and choosing media to reinforce your inner biases?

You think that I chose to watch thousands of hours of media, not for entertainment, but specifically to deluse myself into a very specific and niche bias that the vast majority of people don't even have a mental framework to conceptualize and never comes up in casual conversation or has any relevance to my daily life? Congratulations, that's one of the most insane accusations I've ever seen on the internet.

Re: China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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post #504

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I didn't mean to call you lazy, I hadn't seen any evidence that you see Beijing and Moscow as undifferentiated other, which is the habit of thought I did call lazy. You are awfully contrarian for someone whose response to an argument is "that's not proven to my satisfaction" and when asked what citations would satisfy you replies "it's not my job to define what citations I will and won't admit". You do you king, but…

> when asked what citations would satisfy you replies "it's not my job to define what citations I will and won't admit". That exchange never happened - maybe you're thinking of someone else? > I'll wager your mind was made up You can see how empty the Sinophile side is: they will talk about anything, say anything, but provide actual substance as a basis for their claims.

Having a side is a habit of the uncurious.

Re: China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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post #53

What happens to the money in these cases? I could imagine the official taking solace knowing the money he amassed over the years would eventually go his family.

Exfiltrated to Vancouver or London where the wife and kids live most likely.

China isn't afraid to assassinate them there. They'll have to live their lives behind bulletproof glass, mistrusting servants and visitors.

I mean, live that way on $325 million. But yeah.

Re: China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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post #138

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It's like you're so close to getting it. Xi is serious about "corruption" alright. It's just that in an authoritarian state "corruption" is really just used as a euphemism for illoyality.

How can a soccer player be loyal or illoyal to Xi?

Duh, by saying things Xi perceives as disloyal... which in China can be something as bizarre as posting a picture of Winnie the Pooh.

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-china-blog-40627855

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