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U.S. government will decide who gets to use GPT-5.6

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RIMR wrote: post #448
razighter777 wrote: post #135

I hope this doesn't become the new norm where government becomes the bottleneck for innovation in the AI space. It's worrying that with no formal and transparent policy framework that the government will be picking winners and losers and stifling innovation. There's been no public policy, executive order, legislation, or otherwise on this, I wonder if anyone has filed FOIA requests for these decisions or the conversa…

I'm honestly surprised there isn't more political outcry. The administration has a party affiliation that, typically, insists on free market principles and is against government overreach and regulation. You would think that this government, attempting to puppeteer the most rapidly growing industry in the world, would have more people outraged. Where are all of the people crying "Communist"? This is one of those mome…

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Post by amunozo »

paxys wrote: post #369
aristocrazy wrote: post #312

Given how the WH operates these days, this is ripe for corruption. Imagine the WH dislikes the CEO of a biotech company, while appreciating the attitude of a competitor CEO. What is to stop them from stalling on giving acess for the latest model to the company they don't like?

In most countries around the world corruption/bribes are necessary for doing business. Companies even account for it on their books. It was about time the US caught up.

In the US is already legal. It is called lobbying.

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Post by frontierkodiak »

JeremyNT wrote: post #418
jenniferhooley wrote: post #368

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I felt like it was about 10X better at "pretty" but straightforward 1 shot'ish type tasks. Not so different for complex and specific tasks in real code-bases. Why do you say it was a lot better, what type of tasks were you testing it on?

> I felt like it was about 10X better at "pretty" but straightforward 1 shot'ish type tasks. Not so different for complex and specific tasks in real code-bases. What metric are you using for "better" here? If I've got a straightforward task GPT 5.5 is going to 1shot it anyway.

Maybe not 10x; but it's fantastically talented at intuiting intent, reconstructing contexts, and making aligned judgement calls. You could throw Fable utter garbage and get great results. Fable felt like it was modeling me whereas gpt-5.5 is still very much is riding your prompt, your inputs. I have bit of humility here as this is basically how I felt about 5.4->5.5; but 5.4 was very much a scalpel-very spiky weird intelligence. 5.5 sits somewhere in-between, but still spiky and verbose- code-maxxed; not a great orator, not a good proactive "here's the skip-connection you probably should be thinking about but don't seem to be weighing" in the way that Fable is. Fable is crisp.

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Post by jliptzin »

revolvingthrow wrote: post #121

This is a real head scratcher. Unless this is a very short term action it seems to have only downsides for everybody: - people pay much more for US models than Chinese models because right now they're the best. Once they're no longer the best (since you don't get access to them) why would anyone pay several times as much for the same result? - once you get a high amount of tokens flowing into China instead of US comp…

Yea not sure who would put money into an OpenAI or Anthropic IPO at this point. After this episode I promptly bought the hardware I needed to run local models (~$25k) and am extremely impressed. The price tag alone is worth the peace of mind knowing I will always have a locally running LLM that nobody can take away. I don't need Mythos-level intelligence to do 99% of my day to day work; Opus 4.8 was more than enough and I am pretty close to that with the open source models. So what happens when this hardware inevitably gets cheaper and cheaper and people realize they can run the models they actually need locally and without handing all their data over to these companies?

Only if you're doing cutting edge research or some highly, highly niche project would you need the frontier models.

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Post by paulsutter »

tptacek wrote: post #388
winterismute wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, I find quite ironic that some people in tech in the US complain about EU "regulations first" approach, but then their government seem to arbitrarily stop things from being released because, well, there is no established policy on safety guarantees or other similar aspects.

I see it too, but worth noting that this is basically unprecedented at least within the last 25 years; I think you have to go back to export controlled cryptography for another example of this kind of abrupt and targeted regulation.

Between $5-10T of the US economy is subject to export controls. Nobody disputes that Mythos is dual-use technology, which means it has been export controlled since the day it was created.

Companies are responsible for demonstrating criteria to export (for example) a nerfed version (Fable) of an export controlled item (Mythos)

Nothing here is novel, unusual, capricious, or … fascisistic.

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Post by mirsadm »

softwaredoug wrote: post #395
trashface wrote: post #380

Pretty happy for anything that will throw some sand into the gears of AI development, given all the negative externalities that are becoming apparent, even if the admin is doing it for the usual dumbass reasons.

It’s worse than that. It’s available to large companies. The WH gives them a competitive advantage against the rest of the market.

Does it? That's not even well established yet. These things aren't that good.

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Post by pixelpoet »

utilize1808 wrote: post #473
rgbrenner wrote: post #283

Im not worried about this at all. The OpenAI, Anthropic and the US government can play this game all they want... They're just accelerating the development of open source models; and helping destroy the lead the US has built in AI, and their profit margins along with it. This is like the battle between PostgreSQL and Oracle all over. Move up market, isolate yourself to enterprises, and watch while everyone else build…

The government will just claim that unsanctioned models have the potential to deliberately introduce security vulnerabilities when working on IT projects (e.g. be trained to strongly yet covertly favoring introducing compromised dependencies when you are not looking). Then laws will be made to forbid organizations who use models other than those from the sanctioned labs to participate in critical projects on national…

Then all they do is drive the usage of open models underground (copyright infringement is illegal too, and still common), stifle US companies operating legally, and accelerate the rest of the world decoupling from the US.

I hope they do it! It will have a positive long-term effect just like the Iran war footgun accelerates renewable energy transition.

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Post by amunozo »

Sol- wrote: post #348
pixelpoet wrote: post #133

Are these models still relevant for people outside the US? I get the impression we're stuck on GPT 5.5 and Opus 4.8 pretty much permanently now, and relying on Chinese models in future.

If the US really cracks down on frontier model access, you'll see them make Chinese open models illegal. You might say "oh well, let them try", but they will just put direct and secondary sanctions on every company whose systems have used Chinese models in some way. They just have to make an example out of a few international companies and no one will dare to use Chinese frontier models, at least commercially.

I have no idea, but how is it easy to know whether somebody used these models? They can be hosted even locally.
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