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Post by borski »

laurencerowe wrote: post #470
borski wrote: post #462

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The pedestrian is not the one driving the weapon. It is your fault if you hit a pedestrian, even if they walk right off the curb, even if they’re drunk. Unless they intentionally jump in front of your car in an attempt to commit suicide, it is always on you to ensure you can stop and respond to an emergency, and a pedestrian is such a thing, imho.

I think this is more a design problem with US road infrastructure. City streets are much wider than in other countries which encourages drivers to drive more quickly and allows them to pay less attention. We'd have far fewer pedestrian and cyclist fatalities if we didn't require streets to be so wide.

I agree.

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Post by paulryanrogers »

ojgjoe wrote: post #425
paulryanrogers wrote: post #314

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Are cars really the best option? Could other public transit serve the same purpose? (I was once legally blind, still not a fan of cars myself. Though I understand the appeal when externalities are out of the picture.)

Paul Ryan Rogers, You are still clearly blind to reality. Much of the world requires a car. Maybe someday it won't, but today it absolutely does.

Do you think personal attacks will convince others of your argument?

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Post by nearlyepic »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #413
paulryanrogers wrote: post #314

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Are cars really the best option? Could other public transit serve the same purpose? (I was once legally blind, still not a fan of cars myself. Though I understand the appeal when externalities are out of the picture.)

In the USA where transit in most cities sucks? Seattle is supposedly one of the best but you can’t get to work downtown most days without being harassed by a fent zombie.

I really don’t know who told you that Seattle has one of the best transit infrastructures in the country, lol. It’s not even close to New York or Chicago, nor any of the forward thrust cities (DC, Atlanta). Hell, the light rail isn’t even as good as Portland.

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Post by tim333 »

shafyy wrote: post #489
viking123 wrote: post #485

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When I read this kind of stuff I am always happy I live in a normal country/place - Singapore. Absolutely insane lmao. Must be fun sitting in your Waymo hitting some panic button and it gets blocked LMAO

Singapore is a highly authoritarian place where caning is legal punishment. I would not call this normal, but rather "absolutely insane lmao".

As a Brit who has spend time in both Singapore and SF, I'd say Singapore seems more normal currently. The tents of homeless people shitting in the street and dying of overdoses is weird, like something from Dickensian London.

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Post by dml2135 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #302
dml2135 wrote: post #172

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Are you kidding me? That's like my favorite part about landing at JFK. How else am I supposed to keep up with the latest crypto developments?

In case you’re being serious, sometimes it’s fun. Most of the time, I don’t care. But the reliability advantage of Waymo is usually something I’m willing to pay a bit extra, and wait a bit longer, for.

Haha I was obviously being a bit tongue-in-cheek, and it’s not true every time, but yes I do generally appreciate the wacky convos with cabbies when I land, it feels like a warm welcome home.

Your comment resonated with me because this doesn’t really happen when just taking ubers around town. I don’t really know what’s special about the drive from JFK — maybe the length? or the drivers being used to picking up tourists, who are more chatty? — that brings out the hustle chat and conspiracy theories, but I guess it’s a thing!

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Post by hedora »

Unless I’m missing something the “early access” benefit is just plain evil.

They’ll expand to new cities, but not allow residents of those cities to use the service. Instead, you need to be from SF or some other place they operate, and pay a monthly fee.

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Post by kortilla »

trhway wrote: post #483
kortilla wrote: post #477

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And if someone died in ambulance that couldn’t get to a hospital in time?

you're talking hypotheticals while in real life for example: "A Waymo self-driving car blocked a road near a deadly fire, hindering first responders. " https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6uhcVYhmULU "Waymos blocked roads and caused chaos during San Francisco power outage" https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/waymo-san-francisco-po... Waymo and specific people there responsible for that programming/bugs could probably be…

Neither of those are acceptable. Why would you think Waymo not following the law is somehow a justification for it to continue to put people’s lives at risk to enable protesters to do the same?

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Post by s1artibartfast »

ErroneousBosh wrote: post #458
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #39

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> Why not just get a monthly bus pass? It's less convenient, doesn't work nationally and isn't as fun?

If you're planning on taking a Waymo across country, it's going to cost more than 400 dollars.

Same thing if you want to take a SF Muni bus to New York City. You're probably looking at buying one outright and hiring a driver

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Post by danielmarkbruce »

scoofy wrote: post #418
danielmarkbruce wrote: post #402

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they aren't public works.

The vast majority of modern American toll roads are. I grew up in Austin. We have the Mopac and 183 expansions, route 130 was mostly privately constructed, but is under TxDOT. Perhaps other parts of the world have privately operated roads, but I’m not aware of them.

The part of route 130 you are referring to is technically owned by texas, but under a long term lease/manage situation, I believe the lease is 50 years. It's private in practice. There are many more such situations in the US than folks realize. Chicago Skyway, Indiana toll road and others. Cities/states will contort structures to be able to say "we still own it!" while economically not owning it.

So, the ones in states that can't afford to build or maintain them are often private roads or PPP.

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Post by throwaway2037 »

themafia wrote: post #431
seizethecheese wrote: post #231

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This kind of gender politics is tiresome. You could easily point out that for women public transit is untenable after dark instead of bringing the OP’s identity into it.

> This kind of gender politics is tiresome. I think they're trying to convey that this kind of gender ignorance is equally tiresome.

You hit the nail on the head.
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