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A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by idiotsecant »

zug_zug wrote: post #279

It's exhausting that the "solution" to problems like this is getting tens or hundreds of thousands of citizens stressed until enough public attention gives some small chance of redress. I'm not calling for violence, but if we can't get these things fixed in court there has to be a more effect and more forceful avenue for protest than venting on internet forums.

Being 'stressed' about the corruption and ineffectiveness of governance is literally the exact and only way you make government not be corrupt and ineffective. Democracy is not a spectator sport and voting is just the polite mechanism. Mass protest and outrage is the actual mechanism of democracy - voting is just there to make them afraid of the protest so you don't have to throw moltovs.

Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by prawn »

ticulatedspline wrote: post #463

Gonna play a little devil's advocate here. Setting aside whether I think data centers or good or bad and just focusing on the sale of the land (for whatever purpose). The land was donated back in 99 and looks like they never followed through on making it anything. Which is pretty shitty to Mr Bland's vision. Though that donation itself is a bit weird because literally on the just the other side of the neighborhood is…

Next up is the argument that it was to be used for future park land, but: they didn't specify a timeframe... taps head

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Post by mc32 »

IX-103 wrote: post #495
mc32 wrote: post #432

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know if you know, but quite a few European countries are known to send police or "state" confederates into protests to give authorities an excuse to Escalate. You also see lots more water cannons being used over there. In Paris the burning and destruction typically happens in the outer "boroughs" of the city -usually by disaffected groups -sometimes they happen to be disenfranchised- though typically they har…

So your "evidence" is the transcript of an interview that references an indictment containing information that hasn't been publicly substantiated.

There was also testimony to the Congress by its CEO which wasn't very convincing. There is a dude running for congress in Maine who has a troubling political background due to his past associations and this guy could not call him out. I'm pretty sure if the congress hopeful were running as an IND or repub he'd be treated differently by this organization in question.

Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by Tostino »

andriy_koval wrote: post #469
ramgine wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

American police are much more inclined to escalate any violence instead of trying to de-escalate.

> American police are much more inclined to escalate any violence instead of trying to de-escalate. American police inclined to do nothing, because it is locally hired and not paid/controlled by government.

Are you just being intentionally ignorant here? What are you even trying to convey?

Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by Domenic_S »

chmod775 wrote: post #494
ticulatedspline wrote: post #463

Gonna play a little devil's advocate here. Setting aside whether I think data centers or good or bad and just focusing on the sale of the land (for whatever purpose). The land was donated back in 99 and looks like they never followed through on making it anything. Which is pretty shitty to Mr Bland's vision. Though that donation itself is a bit weird because literally on the just the other side of the neighborhood is…

Calling that a park is stretching it, even if someone named it "park". That's a playground, some grass, and a parking space. Not something where you can enjoy a stroll for a couple hours. A city of ~20k doesn't have to go crazy here, but surely you can maintain something nicer (especially once you have that data center money!)

It's a playground, some grass, a parking lot (a "parking space" is for one car), a basketball court, a baseball diamond, and what looks like a decent paved, tree-lined trail that goes all the way past the animal shelter to a neighborhood.

Seems.... fine?

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Post by hinkley »

xingped wrote: post #491
hinkley wrote: post #448

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the key skills of a software developer is inference and you guys need to go get some more coffee and come back and try reading this thread again.

For code only, even then only sometimes or even rarely. The HN comments section is like a gold mine of the Dunning Kruger effect for social awareness/intelligence. It's not even worth pointing out because you'll just get 5 paragraphs in response of "no, you're wrong because I'm smart and so I'm right". It's exhausting.

Some days you show up to work and start by deleting everything you wrote for the last 3 hours the day before. They aren't all good days.

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Post by ElijahLynn »

I've had a few fantasies that if I become wealthy enough ever that I want to buy a whole bunch of multiple city blocks in my city make them public parks.

But I did have that same fear is how do I ensure they survive?

Do I do a land trust or something like that? How would a donation survive so something like this doesn't happen?

Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by bumby »

WarmWash wrote: post #486
bumby wrote: post #437

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Median US income is $45k. Almost 18% of US household income goes to healthcare costs. So you’re saying healthcare access/quality, time off, and mortality are moot once you make $23/hr? Color me skeptical.

I mean, you're on the cusp there but $23/hr is around where "full benefits" jobs become the norm. Also keep in mind that French pay a lot for healthcare too, except it's called taxes. That $23/hr in France would be taxed at 30% compared to 12% in the US. This only gets more dramatic as you climb the income scale, which inevitably means (in France) you are paying way more taxes (41% at $100k) while using those social…

Benefits are paid based on hours worked not on rate. You also seem to confuse marginal and effective tax rates because you don’t factor in the other tax structures in the US like FICA/state/local taxes. On the US healthcare side, you have to factor in deductibles; my annual family HSA deductible is $8k. And on and on. As a general rule, I try not to spend much time debating with new accounts that miss basic facts/principles.

But this all digresses from the point: simple economic indicators like GDP without fuller context are a lazy and misleading metric for evaluating the health of a society.

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