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Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by somewhatgoated »

asdfsa32 wrote: post #495
somewhatgoated wrote: post #494

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Yea I did 5 minutes research on google and nothing turned up. If it’s such an outrageous case it should be easy to find - so your point is that I should invest hours trying to prove some claim that some rando typed on here while taking a shit. Nah bro a goat like me has much better things to do. If you make outrageous claims the burden of proof is on you and not the people you’re talking to.

You don't have to prove anything, but given the staggering amount of evidence to support such event as likely, you opt to dismiss it without evidence. Like I said, shoe leather.

Since there is such a staggering amount of evidence around, care to provide even a single piece?

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by trumpdong »

ben_w wrote: post #421
trumpdong wrote: post #380

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Just gotta bribe the right judge. My toilet paper says you owe me $10,000 and the judge agrees.

In this thread's context, the "constitution" is the kind of thing which is supposed to make that not happen. Famously bereft of a written constitution, the closest single document along these lines which the UK had for a long time was ("the") Magna Carta, which basically exists because King John's lords were tired of King John directing the courts that King John personally owned to not hear cases against himself. But…

Famously, the toilet paper known as the US Constitution has prevented any violations of rights recently, like the brown skinned people getting brought to concentration camps, or your dog getting shot because you used free speech.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by skippyboxedhero »

lwhi wrote: post #473
skippyboxedhero wrote: post #460

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https://www.hampshire.police.uk/police-forces/hampshire-cons... - police forces across the UK have similar policies based upon this document from the NPCC - https://www.npcc.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/media/downloads/our... . There are a number of other similar documents produced by quangos that specialize specifically in impacting policy at police forces in their treatment of ethnic minorities. After the event, this po…

A lot of words, but not much substance. You haven't linked to the specific policy that led to this awful event occurring. Which specific policy wording enabled this to happen?

The policy document is linked.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by skippyboxedhero »

foldr wrote: post #470
skippyboxedhero wrote: post #467

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As I explained, you should search for it. I said this because the process of searching for views that disprove your feelings would be beneficial for you. You seem to suggest that I intended to provide you with evidence...I specifically said that I would not. https://www.hampshire.police.uk/police-forces/hampshire-cons... - this is a policy document from the police force, this is in the process of being reviewed becau…

Neither of those documents is actually a policy document, and neither says anything particularly objectionable, or anything that could possibly be used to justify handcuffing someone who’s requested medical attention and then leaving them to die. > I have no idea what Elon Musk has to do with policing policy in the UK. He has nothing to do with policing in the UK, but he has a lot to do with the content of a lot of t…

Yes, it does. If you read it properly you will see that policy is to treat accusations of racism as accurate whenever they are made. The reason why the police didn't act was because he was accused of being a racist. Again, I am not sure what the argument is: everyone has accepted that this is the case, policing minister, the police force, everyone...apart from you and people who have some obscure political axe to grind.

The police issued a statement on Twitter, this was covered extensively...I am thinking that you are the type of person who is resistent to evidence that counters your opinion that you have just stopped being able to process information, you just loop through your feelings. In addition, it has also leaked that the statement they issued was dialled down significantly and the original line was to blame Nowak for being stabbed...again, this is because their policing policy was to accept any accusations of racism in full.

If you just read stuff properly, you would know all this and wouldn't find yourself backed into a corner arguing against all forms of reality.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by lwhi »

skippyboxedhero wrote: post #503
lwhi wrote: post #473

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of words, but not much substance. You haven't linked to the specific policy that led to this awful event occurring. Which specific policy wording enabled this to happen?

The policy document is linked.

I'm sorry, I think you're full of 'nonsense'.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by lwhi »

skippyboxedhero wrote: post #504
foldr wrote: post #470

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neither of those documents is actually a policy document, and neither says anything particularly objectionable, or anything that could possibly be used to justify handcuffing someone who’s requested medical attention and then leaving them to die. > I have no idea what Elon Musk has to do with policing policy in the UK. He has nothing to do with policing in the UK, but he has a lot to do with the content of a lot of t…

Yes, it does. If you read it properly you will see that policy is to treat accusations of racism as accurate whenever they are made. The reason why the police didn't act was because he was accused of being a racist. Again, I am not sure what the argument is: everyone has accepted that this is the case, policing minister, the police force, everyone...apart from you and people who have some obscure political axe to gri…

At the the end of the day, you're just a common or garden racist.

The main problem, is that you're trying to intellectualise your prejudice; which is quite frankly dangerous.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by cassianoleal »

lukan wrote: post #497
cassianoleal wrote: post #479

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Let's follow the timeline, shall we? It shouldn't be difficult as it's a pretty linear tree in the comments. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48423657 I mentioned that Europe is a lot more than the EU, and even within the EU member countries diverge. 2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48423908 trumpdong then makes a comment that I interpret as saying the EU doesn't have a lot of power over member states,…

You did not ask that: "ask if they thought the EU should be harder and actually perform an armed invasion of a member state that didn't follow them." You asked this: "> the worst they can do is kick them out of the EU As opposed to what? Armed invasion?" Where trumpdong reploed with a affirmative "yes". So the worst they can do is kick someone out. No one demanded the EU should do armed invasion.

They complained kicking out the worst. I suggested one possible worse possibility (again, in a reductio ad absurdum rhetoric), trying to understand what they thought should be done more than "just kicking them out". They agreed with it.

I don't know why you're taking their pain.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by asdfsa32 »

somewhatgoated wrote: post #501
asdfsa32 wrote: post #495

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't have to prove anything, but given the staggering amount of evidence to support such event as likely, you opt to dismiss it without evidence. Like I said, shoe leather.

Since there is such a staggering amount of evidence around, care to provide even a single piece?

Evidence for what?

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by foldr »

skippyboxedhero wrote: post #504
foldr wrote: post #470

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neither of those documents is actually a policy document, and neither says anything particularly objectionable, or anything that could possibly be used to justify handcuffing someone who’s requested medical attention and then leaving them to die. > I have no idea what Elon Musk has to do with policing policy in the UK. He has nothing to do with policing in the UK, but he has a lot to do with the content of a lot of t…

Yes, it does. If you read it properly you will see that policy is to treat accusations of racism as accurate whenever they are made. The reason why the police didn't act was because he was accused of being a racist. Again, I am not sure what the argument is: everyone has accepted that this is the case, policing minister, the police force, everyone...apart from you and people who have some obscure political axe to gri…

Someone being accused of being a racist isn’t a logical reason to deny them medical care, regardless of whether or not you believe the accusation. There is no policy that could possibly be construed as requiring this. And your claims about what the linked “policy” says (again, not actually a policy) are becoming increasingly outlandish, as anyone can easily verify.

> The police issued a statement on Twitter, this was covered extensively.

I couldn’t find any statement that said anything like what you were claiming. Feel free to link it. This is the offical statement that I could find:

https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/news/statement-regarding-ou...

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by drywipes »

Cider9986 wrote: post #36
antiloper wrote: post #31

OI mate, you got a loicense for that operating system? The only surprising thing about this story is that the user didn't get a visit by the police to be charged with a "non-crime cybersecurity incident". The UK has become such a shithole.

Yep, police can simply ask anyone for their passwords and if you don't give it up they can put you in jail. I won't be visiting. Despite many flaws, the US has some damn good rights for its citizens compared to the rest of the world.

Yeah they can ask for passwords but I've seen so many people work around this by pretending they forgot. Because at that point what are they going to do.
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