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Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

#501

I hear "I'm not anti immigrant, I'm anti illegal immigrant" a lot. To which there is an easy solution: increase the number of legal immigrants we allow. Instead we're doing exactly the opposite, cutting down on legal immigration as well. Making it hard for me to believe that it was ever about illegal immigration at all.

Anyone who uses this line is a racist.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

#502

This is insane. I cannot fathom how I, nor educated and talented people I know, could have possibly stayed in the US back in the day if this requirement had been in place then. Applying for a greencard while working on an H, J or O-class visa is extremely common. Far from a loophole, applying from inside the US is the only reasonable way to apply for a greencard. Depending on the country of origin, there may not even…

Not surprised. There are worse things in the works.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

#503

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"an easy solution: increase the number of legal immigrants we allow." Not really. The answer is: have a fair, transparent and function system. Then - yes - you can totally 'increase' (or decrease) as needed. 'Increase a bit' likely the right thing to do - but it's a completely separate question. But throwing Green Card holders out is completely insane, grabbing people out of church and schools and putting them into d…

> Then you can adjust the numbers one way or another. The numbers need to go up. China, in particular, has an "elite overproduction" problem. We should be welcoming every English-speaking Chinese STEM degree holder with open arms. Anyone, from anywhere, with a STEM degree and a job offer from a US company, should be in this country. Period. America needs to be the leader of the knowledge workforce world. We also need…

1) The US has a much greater 'Elite Over Production' problem than does China. China produces a lot of people with decent education that can' find work but that's not 'Elite Overproduction'.

Frankly EO is just a sign of a developed nation.

2) "Anyone, from anywhere, with a STEM degree and a job offer from a US company, should be in this country"

Since when did citizenship become about 'Economic Production'?

The vast majority of the people of the world don't agree with this - and this is kind of one of the roots of disagreement over migration.

Yes - surely 'educated migrants' are good and helpful, but that's only part of the equation.

3) "If we don't do this, China and other up-and-coming nations will increasingly start to displace us"?

Displace you how exactly?

All of this hints of 'Nationalist Industrial Capitalism' with hints of fear mongering. "But China's Gonna Get Us!" ... listen I get it - but this card is played a bit too hard, too often.

Also absent is the fact that there's a need to help refugees etc.

The US surprisingly takes surprisingly few refugees in from conflicts zones, even those it calamities it participates in.

Consider that a 'Nation' is a 'Community' - not a 'Business Centre' and that education and economic competitiveness are just parts of that consideration.

Ultimately, it's a choice, and those points are not invalid, but probably should be contextualized in the grander scheme of how most people define their communities.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

#504

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are all non-immigrant visa classes. The understanding is that you are temporarily immigrating to the United States. Why should it be surprising then that it is hard to become a permanent resident/immigrant if you explicitly came on a non-immigrant visa?

There isn't really such a thing as an immigrant visa. These non-immigrant visas are the only legal route to come here, by and large, excluding a few obvious exceptions like marriage to an American. Also, it's quite hard to become a permanent resident/immigrant even without the obstacle of this being categorically prohibited. My family, for instance, overcame some very low odds of success to make this happen (highly e…

The US has three classes of immigrant visa. See the bottom of the state department visa resources page.

https://www.state.gov/visas/

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

#505

I hear "I'm not anti immigrant, I'm anti illegal immigrant" a lot. To which there is an easy solution: increase the number of legal immigrants we allow. Instead we're doing exactly the opposite, cutting down on legal immigration as well. Making it hard for me to believe that it was ever about illegal immigration at all.

Anyone who uses this line is a racist.

Some people.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

#507

This is insane. I cannot fathom how I, nor educated and talented people I know, could have possibly stayed in the US back in the day if this requirement had been in place then. Applying for a greencard while working on an H, J or O-class visa is extremely common. Far from a loophole, applying from inside the US is the only reasonable way to apply for a greencard. Depending on the country of origin, there may not even…

Intentionally malevolent.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

#508

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the kids must first get visas to their parent's countries In this situation, wouldn't the kids already have citizenship of their parents countries?

No? If you're born in the US you have US citizenship, you're American. You don't just magically get citizenship for your parents home country, at least not for most countries.

You can automatically be a citizen through descent of most countries in Europe and Asia, and everywhere in North America.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_sanguinis#Jus_sanguinis_st...

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

#509

The whole immigration argument basically boils down to two schools of thought. 1) Those who believe that every human born on this planet has a basic right to move to and live in, any country that they want. 2) Those who believe that the people who are currently citizens of countries around the world, have the right to set strict restrictions on who is allowed to move there. These two schools are fundamentally at odds…

> 1) Those who believe that every human born on this planet has a basic right to move to and live in, any country that they want. This is an extremely small group of people. Most of them pretend to be in the group to virtue-signal. Same with homeless problem. We must not move/clear homeless camps (as long as those camps aren't next to my house, of course).

Everybody who has a different moral opinion than yours holds that opinion for the sole reason that they believe it will make them look better to their peers.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

#510
That makes sense to me. If you come on a non-immigrant visa, you can’t become a permanent resident easily. it’s a privilege, not a right. Other countries like the UAE also take a lot of foreign workers but do not want them become PRs or citizens and there are tons of people moving there for opportunities. The labor is needed but they don’t want these people permanently. You made your money, now leave
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