Microsoft and OpenAI end their exclusive and revenue-sharing deal

Post by intrinsicallee » Mon, Apr 27, 2026, 7:43 PM UTC

rotcev wrote: post #451

wg0 wrote: post #413

A wise man from Google said in an internal memo to the tune of: "We do not have any moat neither does anyone else." Deepseek v4 is good enough, really really good given the price it is offered at. PS: Just to be clear - even the most expensive AI models are unreliable, would make stupid mistakes and their code output MUST be reviewed carefully so Deepseek v4 is not any different either, it too is just a random token…

PS: Just to be clear - even the most expensive humans are unreliable, would make stupid mistakes, and their output MUST be reviewed carefully, so you’re not any different either. You’re just a random next-thought generator based on neuron firing distributions with no real thought process, trained on a few billion years of evolution like all other humans.

Post by hansmayer » Mon, Apr 27, 2026, 7:45 PM UTC

rotcev wrote: post #451

wg0 wrote: post #413

A wise man from Google said in an internal memo to the tune of: "We do not have any moat neither does anyone else." Deepseek v4 is good enough, really really good given the price it is offered at. PS: Just to be clear - even the most expensive AI models are unreliable, would make stupid mistakes and their code output MUST be reviewed carefully so Deepseek v4 is not any different either, it too is just a random token…

PS: Just to be clear - even the most expensive humans are unreliable, would make stupid mistakes, and their output MUST be reviewed carefully, so you’re not any different either. You’re just a random next-thought generator based on neuron firing distributions with no real thought process, trained on a few billion years of evolution like all other humans.

Post by conradkay » Mon, Apr 27, 2026, 7:49 PM UTC

eranation wrote: post #165

So, silly question, does this mean I will be able to get OpenAI models via Bedrock soon?

Post by SwellJoe » Mon, Apr 27, 2026, 7:50 PM UTC

lanstin wrote: post #483

SwellJoe wrote: post #457

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They're at the frontier of last year. They compete with Opus 4.5. They don't yet compete with current frontier models. They'll presumably catch up, there is no monopoly on talent held by the US. And, that's more true than ever now that the US is actively hostile to immigrants. Scientists who might have come to the US three years ago have little reason to do so now.

It's kind of hard to say this unless you go out of your way - the scaffolding for interacting with the raw model is a lot better now for many tasks. Is it that 4.7 is so much better than 4.5 or claude 1.119 is so much tuned to squeeze utility out of the LLM despite the hallucinations and lack of self awareness etc. Certainly the current products are great, but I think it's hard to separate the two things, the raw mod…

Post by [deleted] » Mon, Apr 27, 2026, 7:52 PM UTC

CamperBob2 wrote: post #498

mort96 wrote: post #447

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I don't think you showed counter examples? Or can you link me to a paper which describes a language model thinking without predicting tokens?

If you ask a model to multiply 322423324 by 8675309232 without using tools, it's interesting to think about how it does it. Where are the intermediate results being maintained? "In context" is the obvious answer... but if you view the chain of thought from a reasoning model, it may have little or nothing to do with arriving at the correct answer. It may even be complete nonsense. The model is working with tokens in c…