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People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Post by simoncion »

LtWorf wrote: post #486
MrDrMcCoy wrote: post #438

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What on earth are you referring to?

That the security model on Unix (and Linux) is to trust your applications and mistrust other users of the same machine. While now the security model is that your applications are closed source and you cannot trust them, which is why you need wayland.

> [T]he security model on Unix (and Linux) is to trust your applications

If that were true, httpd (and all other system daemons) would be run as root and neither the 'nobody' user and group nor the various security-related X11 extensions would exist.

Anyone who has worked in this field for more than a few years (regardless of their era of entry) knows that nontrivial programs are faulty and can happen to or be induced to do things that are harmful in varying degrees to the operation of the computer that runs them.

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Post by pjmlp »

TheDong wrote: post #354
john_strinlai wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The options for the average user are not linux or windows, but only macOS or Windows. i dont think this is true. steam surveys also do not agree: linux gamers are about 2x the number of OSX

2% (linux, really 1% steamOS and 1% other linux) and 1% (macOS) makes it sound much less impressive than "2x". The options for an average user, who does not use steam and is not in the steam hw survey, are just macOS and windows. The options for a serious gamer who uses steam (a tiny fraction of PC users) is clearly just Windows or SteamOS at this point, or more likely Windows + a steam deck (which is half of the 2%…

Or PlayStation, Nintendo, Xbox as well, where XBox means another Windows flavour.

Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Post by pjmlp »

spandrew wrote: post #13

I would never advise anyone buy a Microsoft Windows laptop these days — between the forced updates, the account and service-fee thirst, ads, and consumer unfriendly product release process (forced opt-in). Guess what? With Apple's new Neo laptop the price is also way way wayyy out to lunch. If MSFT gives a business a huge bulk discount to buy their laptops + Office360 + Teams... OK? But as a "consumer" it really suck…

Over here it is 800 euro for a 8 GB device, no thanks.

I would rather advise XBox, Nintendo or PlayStation for gaming.

Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Post by debazel »

asutekku wrote: post #484
debazel wrote: post #476

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> cover most common use-cases. It absolutely does not.

Most common use cases (bar social media): - Navigating - Emailing - Texting - Browsing internet All this is available without an account.

Most common use cases are social media, messaging (WhatsApp, Messanger, Telegram, no one is using SMS anymore), ID apps, payment and banking apps.

You could skip social media, but without the others you would basically have to carry around a second phone or be severely handicapped just trying to live a normal life.

Beside all of that, the idea that a $1000 iPhone is usable without an account because you can SMS and check emails is laughable disingenuous.

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Post by 2b3a51 »

trollbridge wrote: post #426

I was shocked to install Windows 11 in a VM today for some throwaway purpose I needed (specifically, proving that some piece of software that's 3 years old will absolutely not work on up-to-date Windows 11), and was not required to use a Microsoft account. Just prompted to make a local account and that was it.

Which Windows 11 sku did you use for that test?

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Post by garbagewoman »

chocochunks wrote: post #131
kstrauser wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That, and having a machine at this price point that people aren’t horrified to use.

What makes it horrifying? Plastic? Is the only thing that's important the material it's made out of? I think there's many use cases where the Acer would be less horrifying to use than the Neo. Which device would be better for running a Linux VM for CS class homework for example?

Its ok, your laptop is best, just go buy it already

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Post by userbinator »

guilamu wrote: post #463
Krssst wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LTSC cannot be bought as a regular customer unfortunately. Legally, regular customers are only allowed to use the enshittified version.

That's true indeed, but Microsoft is not giving us any other option so why not use the good version at home? I mean what is the risk really?

MS has always been (and probably still does) wanting you to pirate Windows instead of jumping to Linux or Mac.

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Post by ninjagoo »

pipes wrote: post #19
ooterness wrote: post #3

Too little, too late. I switched to Linux and I'm never looking back. Good riddance, Microsoft.

I've done this several times over the last 18 years or so. The most recent was a few months a go. And my steamdeck persuaded me. Unfortunately I ran into the same WiFi networking issue I've never managed to resolve. Even on different hardware. Pings to my default gateway are ridiculously slow compared to windows. I spent countless hours trying to resolve. I gave up and have gone with windows 11 ltsc.

> Pings to my default gateway

You have a non-default gateway in addition to a default one?

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Post by userbinator »

stronglikedan wrote: post #182
ano-ther wrote: post #2

That would improve things. Over the weekend, a family member could not log into their laptop any longer. Turned out to be “a problem with Teams” that required an unscheduled update which was marked as optional. Needless to say that they never used Teams on that machine. When the login worked partially, their files weren’t accessible because they accidentally saved it on OneDrive which now defaults to storing online o…

> OneDrive which now defaults to storing online only Holy shit that's nuts!

One drive. On a server in one of Microsoft's datacenters.

Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Post by dbdjdjdkeke »

hacker_homie wrote: post #464
PeterStuer wrote: post #145

I have used Microsoft operating systens for 30 years. I started moving servers onto Linux 5 years ago. The desktops on laptops stayed on Windows (10). I have started converting those ss well. Windows had a good thing going (if you ignored some bad releases), but them pushing it too far with 11 and the Linux desktop making great strides, sort of put the nail in that coffin for me. Not sure what they can do to make me…

replace Satya Nadella?

he will just be replaced by Sandeep Dicksheet
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