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France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app
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Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app
#502I'm surprised this has been on front page of HN all day. As others said, its a surface boat, you could just follow it with a plane, ship, or submarine. If someone knows where it is, everyone does. Would be more concerning if it was a submarine that was able to be tracked.
Think resources. For most countries, the position of that particular ship isn't interesting during 99.99% of the time. If you can locate it easily du moment your interest is piqued, you can dedicate the resources needed to track it continuously elsewhere.
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one more reason for open, adaptible, and secure mobile operating systems.
Even if it would gain mass adoption, how is that preventing end user to bypass the defaults and install some leaky app?
in this case: a distribution with hardened security for military purposes. for example, completely disabled location services, encrypted communications only, etc. + forbid use of unapproved mobile devices while on a sensitive mission.
Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app
#504I'm surprised this has been on front page of HN all day. As others said, its a surface boat, you could just follow it with a plane, ship, or submarine. If someone knows where it is, everyone does. Would be more concerning if it was a submarine that was able to be tracked.
The aircraft career has a submarine and other ships to defend him. So they are all at risk.
The carrier moves with that group though for the exact reason this story isnt a big deal. They are slow and very visible so they need other ships to defend them
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It also seems worth considering that the article's view that "spending a lot of time searching for the carrier is a good way to get killed by defending fighters" is a distinctly pre-drone-ubiquity assumption. Can a carrier group's point defense weapons and fighters reliably counter a swarm of hundreds of cheap drones, flying lower than cloud cover, that are programmed to look for carriers over a wide area, confirm th…
How cheap do you think a drone which can cover a large area of ocean actually is? And not just search it - you have to get it to the sector as well.
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> not committing war crimes that would make people want to hunt you down and kill you People may want to kill you for different reasons though. No need to commit any crimes.
Indeed. Everyone should value their privacy seriously, much more than the general population currently does.
Some countries make a citizen's residential address public under certain circumstances, i.e. business ownership. There's nothing you can do to erase it once it is registered. It really sucks because you may have a business that involves having a public product that is used by thousands of people. Any disgruntled user can look up where you live.
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#507Is an aircraft carrier's location supposed to be secret? Pretty hard to hide from a satellite I'd imagine.
It's pretty hard to hide it from anything . Its surface is ~17000 m² (a tennis court is ~260 m²), and is 75 m high (~ 25 floors building - probably half of it under water, but still). And that's a mid-sized carrier according to Wikipedia. It's not built for hiding at all, that's what submarines are for (and that's where our nukes are).
If they were trying to hide it, the top would probably be painted blue.
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#509I am more surprised at the concept of something the size of aircraft carrier being expected to have some level of location privacy. I would think the general area of the world it's operating at could be deduced easily from its last port of call and other things, a cheap amateur home-made radar can have a general idea within a few sq-km resolution by pinging from any littoral up to a few hundred km. I would also have thought, anyone that would care about targeting an aircraft carrier that's at a greater distance away from a coast would also have access to satellite imagery and high-altitude UAV.
I have seen more concerning things being revealed like locations of secret bases, and even internal building maps by looking at troops' WiFi. but those are secret places.
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Snowden was a good one. A similar leak was a big deal when I was a kid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON Established in the 60s so it was kept pretty secret for a long period of time. It's interesting to think that the government has been using technology to watch us for awhile but now thanks to ubiquitous networks, cheap internet, phone and apps like tinder and strava and a bit of ingenuity, we can watch back. :…
Wow, that is a good one. I'm surprised that I've not heard of it. Maybe not admitting something officially really does help in keeping something out of press. The list of intercept stations is comic: all except ~4 are in US or allied countries that are far from any adversaries.
MKUltra was another government program that was widely run but kept secret.
Not so fun fact, the UnaBomber was one of the subjects of that program and it is said that his personality changed drastically afterwards. Note his wiki page doesn't call out MKULTRA or government links by name...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKUltra
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski
https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/06/12/the-unabomber-the-ci...
There are some who claim the dirision associated with the term Conspiracy theory is in fact a Conspiracy..
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=8997844...