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Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by suburban_strike »

disqard wrote: post #296
nxor2 wrote: post #191

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I was shadowbanned for mentioning Iryna Zarutska. Most political topics can be connected to technology: technology after all is often how we hear of and discuss these things.

How did you realize you were shadowbanned? I'm curious because I sometimes wonder, if that happened to me, would it affect the way in which I engage with this website? FWIW, I often lurk, but sometimes engage (like right now). Perhaps it could happen to me and I would not realize it for a while...

When your karma stops changing one way or the other is the biggest giveaway.

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Post by forgotTheLast »

ignoramous wrote: post #185
urig wrote: post #171

As an Israeli, this is an inexcusable crime by IDF soldiers. Appallingly, I expect them to receive no punishment. My country's government is criminally racist.

> IDF soldiers Hopefully, such trigger-happy soldiers are in the minority.

It's hard to claim ""bad apples"" when the top brass acquits soldiers who get caught on camera sexually abusing a prisoner and instead prosecutes the whistleblower for leaking evidence of the crime.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2xrz71zm3o

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Post by breppp »

oa335 wrote: post #469
breppp wrote: post #248

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And that's the difference between 1937 and the 1920s. In between the Palestinians had committed the 1929 and 1936 massacres which included ethnic cleansing of Jewish communities which predated Arab presence, such as the Jews of Gaza. Interesting to know that your quote is disputed in the original text, as to say the exact opposite.

> In between the Palestinians had committed the 1929 and 1936 massacres which included ethnic cleansing of Jewish communities which predated Arab presence, such as the Jews of Gaza. What’s your point here? What I’m understanding is that you believe that the sentiment that Arabs must be expelled from Palestine is justified.

My point here is that saying it was "the plan from the start" like GPP does, ignores the fact the the zionist movement had became more militaristic as a defensive measure to palestinian ethnic cleansings, which is quite clear from the chronology of your own quotes

However, even if you wanted to show Ben Gurion wanted to "expel the palestinians", quoting a single personal letter that is almost unintelligible, that has your quote disputed between "we must expel" and "we must not expel", right after a British committee proposed solving the conflict by transferring Palestinians, is a weak argument

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Post by hjkl0 »

this2shallPass wrote: post #464
hjkl0 wrote: post #433

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[flagged]

> "Hitler did not kill the Jews because of their religion; he killed them because they were Jews. And we must remember that, because there are those who would do the same today if they could." — Benjamin Netanyahu, speaking at the World Holocaust Forum in 2020. > "Hitler was not only a mass murderer, he was a master of deception. He deceived the world about his true intentions, and ultimately, his goal was to extermi…

> I hope every Hitler-apologist and Holocaust-denier says and believes things like that.

You’re right - he’s only a Hitler apologist and holocaust denier when it suits him. He’s not consistent about it.

He’ll tell this story to demonize current-day Palestinians and justify the violence done daily to them. He doesn’t just “advocate” for violence, he personally directs it, and he tells stories like this to make of worse.

He tells the other stories you mentioned to capitalize Jewish victimhood, silence critics, and distract from Israel’s crimes against the Palestinians, which have nothing to do with any of this.

> These are some examples of what Holocaust denial and revisionism typically sound like.

Not really. Both quotes from Abbas are very tame. They make him about as much a holocaust denier as Bibi is.

At any rate, they don’t make him or the Palestinian people any less of a partner for peace.

And even mentioning Abbas’ views on the holocaust, in the context of the subjugation, persecution and extermination of his own people for over a decade, is so incredibly cynical and cruel and pathetic, it should tell you everything you need to know about Israel’s position in the conflict.

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Post by dzhiurgis »

mindslight wrote: post #495
dzhiurgis wrote: post #491

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I already did. I don't think this can be clarified anymore for a person with an agenda.

The only thing I've said here is calling out your incitement to genocide. If that qualifies as an "agenda" to you, then I don't know that there is anything left to say.

At the bottom of article:

> Between 7 October 2023 and 15 March 2026, the UN's humanitarian affairs office, OCHA, says 1,071 Palestinians were killed in the West Bank, including at least 233 children.

Does that sound like genocide?

Meanwhile, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_7_attacks says 1,195 civilians and security forces killed. 4300 rockets launched. How many people would that have been if Israel was jamming kumbaya?

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Post by mindslight »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #505
mindslight wrote: post #495

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The only thing I've said here is calling out your incitement to genocide. If that qualifies as an "agenda" to you, then I don't know that there is anything left to say.

At the bottom of article: > Between 7 October 2023 and 15 March 2026, the UN's humanitarian affairs office, OCHA, says 1,071 Palestinians were killed in the West Bank, including at least 233 children. Does that sound like genocide? Meanwhile, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_7_attacks says 1,195 civilians and security forces killed. 4300 rockets launched. How many people would that have been if Israel was jammin…

I was not making the argument that the situation is genocide. Rather I was pointing out that your comments constitute incitement to genocide.

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Post by Alive-in-2025 »

drugstorecowboy wrote: post #482
banannaise wrote: post #460

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> When did "I feel unsafe" become this ultimate i-can-do-anything-and-avoid-responsibility card? It only works if you deploy it against someone lower-status than you. The tactic is largely irrelevant and can be seamlessly replaced with any of a number of other tactics as needed. It's just enforcement of power hierarchies.

It really does only work when deployed against someone of a lower status. Just for example, if you imagine a sterotypical homeless man complaining that he felt unsafe against a sterotypical Karen, in the US there is no real chance he will be taken seriously regardless of the circumstances. It is more or less the "Get this peasant away from me" of our time. I found your comment to be very insightful and I appreciate i…

Watching some of the endless examples of police abusing their powers or committing crimes or obviously lying in the US on youtube videos has removed any ability to just trust police. In the US, because the police basically can always escalate t violence on any occasion, they are just dangerous to be around.

I never thought about it until this horrible store at the top, but why don't soldiers have to have cameras record their actions? Because war is a terrible thing and we don't want to have video of people murdering each other. But peacekeeprs should have cameras.

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Post by olelele »

nailer wrote: post #497
olelele wrote: post #490

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I try my best to keep a nuanced discussion going here and you obviously have no interest in this. Enjoy your flagged post.

Really? I acknowledged your point before I pointed out its limits. It seems weird you would flag that. Either way, I’ve seen what makes HN upvote, flagging doesn’t bother me.

Someone else flagged your post.

Edit: try to imagine what it was like growing up as a Palestinian in Gaza, born 2000.

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

this2shallPass wrote: post #467
fc417fc802 wrote: post #333

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Western governments don't fund their neighbors. They do fund Israel. You have to live up to the standards of the patron such as observing western rules of engagement, treatment of prisoners, and human rights in general.

Western governments do fund Israel's neighbors. This includes Egypt (one of the largest recipients of US foreign aid), Jordan, Lebanon (including indirectly through UNIFIL and UNRWA), Syria, and Iraq if they count as a neighbor. Patrons don't necessarily apply any standard evenly.

Egypt receives US aid in exchange for maintaining good relations with Israel. That's the deal they have with the US. It's basically the same with Jordan.

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Post by lenkite »

haunter wrote: post #72
itsangaris wrote: post #53

I see people saying this story doesn't belong on HN. genuine question, if this story were about a german national would it be considered as political? is palestinian existence inherently more political than other peoples' existence?

I'm saying this as someone who doesn't really care about this certain topic: Either we allow _all_ political content or nothing. The HN guidelines are incredibly grey and handwave-y >Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. To me HN became to big for its own good sinc…

What about AI slop causing the Iranian school-children strike ? US military confirmed that they are using AI to identify targets and provide coordinates. Will you ban that because its "politics" ?
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