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Re: Nano Banana 2: Google's latest AI image generation model

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Post by Jensson »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #454
gambiting wrote: post #451

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>>when the first Go grandmaster was defeated by a "pretend intelligence." A computer playing GO is intelligent now? Is this the kind of conversation we're having? >>I sure wish I had. And how would you have changed your decisions in those last 10 years if you did? >>The next best time to start paying attention is now. I am paying attention, I use these tools every day - the whole idea that they are intelligent and if…

"Dumb beyond belief" doesn't perform at the gold-medal level at IMO. And how would you have changed your decisions in those last 10 years if you did? I'd have dropped everything else I was doing and started learning about neural nets -- a technology that, for the previous couple of decades, I'd understood to be a pointless dead end. As for Go, the defeat of Lee Sedol caught my attention in part because a friend and c…

> "Dumb beyond belief" doesn't perform at the gold-medal level at IMO.

Idiot savants are still idiots even though they are exceptional at some things. A person powered by an LLM and no human intelligence would absolutely be classified as an idiot savant.

Re: Nano Banana 2: Google's latest AI image generation model

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Post by vunderba »

orbital-decay wrote: post #495
vunderba wrote: post #316

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NB Pro can do some seriously impressive edits around interior decorating - see the prompt that replaces the window with a mirror which correctly reflects the room. It's not perfect, but it's still damn impressive. https://mordenstar.com/blog/edits-with-nanobanana

The first before/after picture with the added fox is instantly uncanny due to two bokeh swirls...

Yeah it's not perfect though I'll have to take your word for it - I looked up the concept of "bokeh swirl" but didn't really understand it in the context of the image.

To me it looks like the two foreground subjects (fox and girl) are at roughly the same distance from the POV camera and thus NB Pro tried to preserve an approximate narrow depth of field on both of them, but I'm not a professional photographer by any means.

Re: Nano Banana 2: Google's latest AI image generation model

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Post by userbinator »

Invictus0 wrote: post #293

It's not working very well at all. I started with a picture of a girl sitting at a cafe table and asked it to zoom in, and it enlarged her head to the size of a balloon.

LOL! It either has developed a sense of humour, or your prompt was not specific enough.

Re: Nano Banana 2: Google's latest AI image generation model

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Post by CamperBob2 »

Jensson wrote: post #501
CamperBob2 wrote: post #454

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"Dumb beyond belief" doesn't perform at the gold-medal level at IMO. And how would you have changed your decisions in those last 10 years if you did? I'd have dropped everything else I was doing and started learning about neural nets -- a technology that, for the previous couple of decades, I'd understood to be a pointless dead end. As for Go, the defeat of Lee Sedol caught my attention in part because a friend and c…

> "Dumb beyond belief" doesn't perform at the gold-medal level at IMO. Idiot savants are still idiots even though they are exceptional at some things. A person powered by an LLM and no human intelligence would absolutely be classified as an idiot savant.

Explain how entire subreddits full of humans have been fooled into talking to bots, then. If you tell an LLM to act like a human, that's what it will do.

For that matter — you might be talking to one now!

Re: Nano Banana 2: Google's latest AI image generation model

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Post by i_love_cookies »

avmich wrote: post #269
keiferski wrote: post #237

Some random predictions about what AI image generation tools will do/are doing to art: 1. The narrative/life of the artist becomes a lot more important. The most successful artists are ones that craft a story around their life and art, and don't just create stuff and stop. This will become even more important. 2. Originality matters more than ever. By design, these tools can only copy and mix things that already exis…

I mostly disagree. > 1... The narrative/life of the artist becomes a lot more important. When I watch a movie, I don't care about the artist's life. I care about character life, that's very different. > 2... Originality matters more than ever. By design, these tools can only copy and mix things that already exist. It's like you assigning to humans divine capabilities :) . Hyperbolizing a little, humans also only copy…

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Post by grantcas »

rvnx wrote: post #409
nananana9 wrote: post #400

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Given that this is the one problem that neither scientists nor philosophers have made any progress on in 3000 years, we don't have the tools to begin tackling it and nobody is making serious attempts, it may very well be impossible.

We can't know if consciousness emerges but does it actually matter ? These entities, whoever they are, they act on our world, they are real, and more and more over time they will get independent from humans, eventually becoming different species that can self-replicate. For now they need legs and arms to interact with the physical world but I am certain that 100 years from now they will be an integral part of the soc…

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Post by pavo-etc »

the_af wrote: post #429
mrec wrote: post #364

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Andor is fantastic, but I think it's important to set expectations before going in. Compared to other SW content it's much slower-paced and more restrained/cerebral. Mandalorian didn't do much for me; too gamey/Marvel-ey/cartooney.

I've heard Andor described as having the same vibe as The Mandalorian's episode "The Convert"; the one about the former Imperial scientist being rehabilitated and living in an apartment block with other former Imperials. If so, I will like Andor. I really liked "The Convert".

The quality difference between Andor and The Mandalorian is so stark that I don't even think they are comparable. The Convert is a fine episode I guess, but next to Andor it's amateur.

Andor is prestige TV. The Mandolorian feels like a childrens show by comparison.

If you think The Convert was good, please, please watch Andor.

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Post by rand_r »

avmich wrote: post #269
keiferski wrote: post #237

Some random predictions about what AI image generation tools will do/are doing to art: 1. The narrative/life of the artist becomes a lot more important. The most successful artists are ones that craft a story around their life and art, and don't just create stuff and stop. This will become even more important. 2. Originality matters more than ever. By design, these tools can only copy and mix things that already exis…

I mostly disagree. > 1... The narrative/life of the artist becomes a lot more important. When I watch a movie, I don't care about the artist's life. I care about character life, that's very different. > 2... Originality matters more than ever. By design, these tools can only copy and mix things that already exist. It's like you assigning to humans divine capabilities :) . Hyperbolizing a little, humans also only copy…

> When I watch a movie, I don't care about the artist's life. I care about character life, that's very different.

It may seem like this, but up to now, you haven't been able to divorce a story from its creator because every story has an author, whether it's a novel like Harry Potter or a movie that has a writer and director. When you're experiencing the story, in the back of your mind, you always know that there is someone who created the story to tell you some kind of message. And so you can't experience something like a movie without trying to figure out what the actual message behind the movie was. It is always the implicit message behind the story that makes it valuable versus just the elements of the story.

The story has more weight because it is the distillation of somebody else's life and most likely, if it's a successful story or book, it is the most important lesson from that person's life and that's what makes it more valuable compared to the random generation of words from a computer.

The food analogy is that a cookie baked and given to you by a friend is going to taste far better than anything you buy in a store.

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Post by rahimnathwani »

rand_r wrote: post #508
avmich wrote: post #269

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I mostly disagree. > 1... The narrative/life of the artist becomes a lot more important. When I watch a movie, I don't care about the artist's life. I care about character life, that's very different. > 2... Originality matters more than ever. By design, these tools can only copy and mix things that already exist. It's like you assigning to humans divine capabilities :) . Hyperbolizing a little, humans also only copy…

> When I watch a movie, I don't care about the artist's life. I care about character life, that's very different. It may seem like this, but up to now, you haven't been able to divorce a story from its creator because every story has an author, whether it's a novel like Harry Potter or a movie that has a writer and director. When you're experiencing the story, in the back of your mind, you always know that there is s…

"When you're experiencing the story, in the back of your mind, you always know that there is someone who created the story to tell you some kind of message."

I might know that, but I usually don't care.

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Post by tehjoker »

empath75 wrote: post #489
ACCount37 wrote: post #323

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It's kind of like the difference between something being enjoyable for you, and something being widely popular? In a hypothetical world of "AI can produce a lot of extremely high quality art", you can easily find (or commission) AI art you would absolutely love. But it probably wouldn't be something that anyone else would find a lot of value in? There will be no AI-generated Titanic. There will be many AI-generated m…

I think because art is usually so difficult to create that “popularity” is sort of an unstated metric that most people use to judge its quality, but ai can make disposable art for one person on demand and if doesn’t matter at all if anyone else sees it, let alone likes it. If someone makes a dumb video that they got an AI to make of a panda surfing on mac and cheese, giggles and deletes it, that’s maybe good art? I d…

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