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US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by Frieren »

ta9000 wrote: post #482
Frieren wrote: post #430

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> There should be global opt in/out. They should not be. That there is people willing to give their data to big corporations and foreign countries by extension puts everybody at risk. It is a matter of national security and it should not be allowed, no opt in option.

Woof. How about we let users decide, thanks.

> Woof. How about we let users decide, thanks.

Are they deciding with full understanding of what does it mean to accept such terms or are they just "accepting" to stop being bothered with pop ups.

The industry loves to give people "a choice" when they know that the average user can be coerced to accept anything.

That is not a real choice, and it should be illegal. User profiling is a crime and should be treated as such.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by ta9000 »

whattheheckheck wrote: post #495
croon wrote: post #490

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You could merely be convinced by one. That is sadly an unpaid position though. But more seriously, this discussion has come up so many times on this site, that I could instantly find myself talking about it a handful of times at least: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45669399 (go up-parent a few times if more context is needed) And that doesn't even go into whether sites actually need to ask for cookie consent a…

Plenty of high-school logic level libertarians got convinced by corporation lobbying to undue regulation too

If you’re going to be condescending at least spell check your comments.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

joe_mamba wrote: post #189
disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #169

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> the economies of France and Germany being propped up on life support by government spending The US government is running (and has been for at least a decade now) a substantial deficit, which is basically propping up the economy with government support. > there's more political turmoil at the horizon Again, look to your own house. Even if you ignore all the Trump noise, the attempted politicisation of the Fed is ver…

>Even if you ignore all the Trump noise, the attempted politicisation of the Fed is very dangerous for the US economy. Yes, but Trump is a passing issue that will eventually go away, and won't be able to fuck with tarries and the economy anymore just so his friends can do insider trading. >Asia & Europe. why do you think so? Japan's economy has no great future prospects, and neither EU's with many German bankruptcies…

> why do you think so? Japan's economy has no great future prospects, and neither EU's with many German bankruptcies and companies relocating abroad. Chinese companies and workers outside of the largest metro areas have bad time too.

I think Europe has a bunch of issues, mostly downstream of energy prices. It's basically all the low value added manufacturing (fertiliser etc) that is leaving. This is a real problem which needs to be fixed (the energy costs, that is). At least we're not trying to kill green energy.

Look man, I think the US will be ~fine, but a situation where the US markets account for 65% of world equity value is not going to last forever, and I think it will become apparent as this changes how much else needs to change to benefit the American people.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

LadyCailin wrote: post #441
TacticalCoder wrote: post #396

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This is just actual straight up bullshit. Either you’re starting this misinformation campaign, or yourself gullible enough to just be repeating it.

This is pattern for this user.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by fatal94 »

CGamesPlay wrote: post #386
fatal94 wrote: post #367

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No amount of legislation can stop subpoenas, wiretapping and other extrajudicial means the US has used for data surveillance since the inception of the Patriot Act. With data privacy increasingly becoming a critical matter of national security, strengthening data sovereignty laws and holding corporations accountable was always the way forward.

This is untrue. Subpoenas, wiretapping, and other extrajudicial means can be stopped by legislation that bans them. You can't say in one breath that legislation that enables it (Patriot Act) cannot be undone by more legislation. There are many hurdles required to produce the required legislation, which may not even be broadly supported by the public, but it isn't correct to say "no amount of legislation can stop exis…

Extrajudicial means something not legally authorized. The surveillance apparatus in the US for decades has operated outside the confines of legality. By definition, they cannot be stopped by legislation that bans them.

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Post by dmix »

BobbyTables2 wrote: post #499
dmix wrote: post #391

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I read an article that dug into public GDPR cases, which is a surprisingly small set, and it explained they have had a near zero impact on the massive advertising and data broker industry. They mostly just have a large back log of legal cases against large US companies like Google which occasionally result in fines - but even that moves very very slowly and has little impact on their global business models. They do a…

Even if one paid monthly, why would they actually stop the data collection?

Well YouTube offers a no ads version for money. I personally don’t see a realistic alternative to ad supported social media so you’d have to ask someone who does think that.

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Post by danny_codes »

xyzal wrote: post #429
danny_codes wrote: post #236

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Or maybe a better product that’s cheaper. Let’s not let hubris get the best of us. There’s nothing special about the US. I mean imagine being an Oracle customer and switching to a local supplier. Must be like emerging from a nightmare

Lack of regulation is US' advantage. Which has of course also its downsides, like an extractive healthcare system.

Do we? China seems a lot more down to setup heavy polluting industries than we are.

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Post by jim33442 »

whattheheckheck wrote: post #495
croon wrote: post #490

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could merely be convinced by one. That is sadly an unpaid position though. But more seriously, this discussion has come up so many times on this site, that I could instantly find myself talking about it a handful of times at least: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45669399 (go up-parent a few times if more context is needed) And that doesn't even go into whether sites actually need to ask for cookie consent a…

Plenty of high-school logic level libertarians got convinced by corporation lobbying to undue regulation too

I'm not a libertarian. Just don't make laws that obviously lead to every website having useless warning labels.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by Shyaamal11 »

Worth separating two things the thread keeps conflating: data residency and data sovereignty are not the same, and the CLOUD Act is the clearest proof. Residency = where data physically sits. Sovereignty = who legally controls it. You can store data on AWS Frankfurt and still have zero sovereignty, the controlling entity is US-domiciled and fully subject to the CLOUD Act. Geographic residency without legal sovereignty is essentially compliance theater. Real sovereignty requires the controlling entity, jurisdiction, and infrastructure layer to sit outside US reach which typically means infrastructure you actually operate, not just "hosted in your region" SaaS.

(Disclosure: I work at IOMETE where we think about this a lot. I am happy to go deeper if useful.)

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