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Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by scottyah »

llbeansandrice wrote: post #403
scottyah wrote: post #358

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The main cases I've seen against people on the left (non-exclusive) are: - Lots of them in Epstein files - Mass importations of unchecked non-citizens - Trying harder to look cool to Europe vs helping Americans - Overregulation (things like California Coastal Commission) - Massive fraud (LA -> SF bullet train, tens of billions for "homelessness" that don't go towards homeless at all, building permits, etc) - Antifa b…

> - Attempts to squash 1st amendment, particularly on gender explain yourself

Forcing other people to use desired pronouns, requiring new signs on all single-stall bathrooms. You'll have to Google it, you're not going to get a great argument/stance from me personally. I don't dive much deeper than the headlines/parts of my feeds where these are thrust upon me.

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by scottyah »

mrtesthah wrote: post #488
scottyah wrote: post #358

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main cases I've seen against people on the left (non-exclusive) are: - Lots of them in Epstein files - Mass importations of unchecked non-citizens - Trying harder to look cool to Europe vs helping Americans - Overregulation (things like California Coastal Commission) - Massive fraud (LA -> SF bullet train, tens of billions for "homelessness" that don't go towards homeless at all, building permits, etc) - Antifa b…

Especially when it comes to ethnic cleansing, peoples' terminally online claims don't factor in from any side; this isn't about partisans or discourse. We are talking about official government policy and statements. This is substantiated, without any constitutional precedent, and extremely dangerous. The equivalent actions on the left that you posed, increasing non-white representation in media, a) is not government…

It's the knee-jerk reactions to "look at the other side!" that makes me think you're in a bubble. Also your references to certain small groups on the right-side spectrum as the whole while claiming (rightly) that other small groups on the left-side don't represent the mainstream. I was just trying to give you a few examples as a starting point for research since you seem to be completely oblivious to them, I am not here to argue with you or back them up.

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

ABCLAW wrote: post #357
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #338

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That's one of the core plot points in The Mars Trilogy - Why take orders from people on another planet in the age of sub-light-speed space travel?

It's worse than that; within a few generations our linguistic and biological systems will begin to diverge under conditions with little cross-pollination and different selective pressures. We will become aliens in the sci-fi sense very rapidly if we attempt to create a foundation-like diaspora of settlements.

That was explored in Stephenson's Seveneves

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by fuzzfactor »

nathan_compton wrote: post #494
fuzzfactor wrote: post #431

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with 20/20 hindsight it would have been a whole lot better to throw a Constitutional Convention rather than have a civil war. It had already intentionally been forgotten how well that worked the first time.

Throw a constitutional conventions so that the slave owners could get their votes in (not the slaves, of course, though the owners should get to vote FOR them). I understand that the civil war was about a lot of things, but the precipitating issue was slavery. Slavers should be obliterated by war if they aren't willing to give up their slaves unconditionally.

I know what you mean but there were so many other possible outcomes that would have resulted in banishment of slavery from North America just as well.

If the southern agricultural states didn't want to be with the free states in the Union any more anyway, it might have been the only opportunity to withdraw without a war.

Individually, without a confederacy, which instead quickly amounted to a large vengeful adversary where there didn't have to be.

It would have been a tough decision for each state to make, under non-emergency conditions, whether they wanted to remain with the country that possessed Wall Street or not.

After all it was Wall Street companies who were often financing the plantations to begin with, before stock traders escalated to funding the slave trade once its human cargo became more lucrative than most.

As it turned out, besides all the death & destruction suffered by all states, Washington itself went into such deep debt to Wall Street in order to fully vanquish the Confederate States, that it set the stage for untenable "permanent" debt where the lenders never got paid back real well for so many decades.

Wall Street has possessed Washington ever since.

Otherwise there would never have been a FED as we know it.

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Post by JuniperMesos »

jeffrallen wrote: post #219
Waterluvian wrote: post #18

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> It is not ideal, but it is necessary when the higher-desirability options are not working. What has worried me for years is that Americans would not resort to this level. That things are just too comfortable at home to take that brave step into the firing lines of being on the right side of justice but the wrong side of the law. I'm relieved to see more and more Americans causing necessary trouble. I still think th…

General strike! Close the ports, close the airports, steal dozers and park them on railroad tracks, teachers on the streets in front of their schools to protect their students, blockade the grocery distribution centers, so that the shelves go bare, just stop everything, everywhere. When it hurts the billionaires, they will tell their politicians to invoke the 25th. It's the only way, we've lost our democracy, but we…

Disrupting basic functions of the economy will hurt ordinary people a lot more than it will hurt billionaires.

Also under these conditions of food distribution and transportation being actively disrupted, why would anyone be at school? Huge numbers of American schools are unsafe and unpleasant places for kids to be in ordinary times, and a massive disruption to ordinary life is not going to make that situation any better.

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Post by throwaway85825 »

nathan_compton wrote: post #494
fuzzfactor wrote: post #431

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with 20/20 hindsight it would have been a whole lot better to throw a Constitutional Convention rather than have a civil war. It had already intentionally been forgotten how well that worked the first time.

Throw a constitutional conventions so that the slave owners could get their votes in (not the slaves, of course, though the owners should get to vote FOR them). I understand that the civil war was about a lot of things, but the precipitating issue was slavery. Slavers should be obliterated by war if they aren't willing to give up their slaves unconditionally.

Slavery destroyed the roman republic just like it destroyed the American republic. Slavery and republican government are fundamentally incompatible because it devalues the labor and vote of the citizen. Instead of ending slavery the civil war simply made everyone a slave to the government. No longer did the government need to compromise, they could simply do whatever they wished by force.

Today millions of new wage slaves flood into the country to further devalue the citizens labor and vote.

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Post by mikestorrent »

UltraSane wrote: post #248
mikestorrent wrote: post #222

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> The American Revolution was rare in that it didn't need to happen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proclamation_of_Rebellion Interestingly y'all Americans pay much more tax now than you did to England back in the day. Turns out King George was right, and it was just about changing who the tax was paid to.

Back then most taxes went to Britain.

What's the difference? Render unto Caesar, right?

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Post by mikestorrent »

nathan_compton wrote: post #244
mikestorrent wrote: post #222

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> The American Revolution was rare in that it didn't need to happen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proclamation_of_Rebellion Interestingly y'all Americans pay much more tax now than you did to England back in the day. Turns out King George was right, and it was just about changing who the tax was paid to.

Not really a secret. The slogan was "No taxation without representation" not "no taxation." The degree to which legislation in the US is bought by big companies and rarely reflects democratic desires we may be in another "no taxation without representation" era.

Do you feel represented?

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Post by throwaway85825 »

ABCLAW wrote: post #487
throwaway85825 wrote: post #393

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This sounds like lysenkoism.

I think the skepticism warrants more work than that. Darwin's finches are an entry-level concept to learn when learning about biochemistry and genetics. Separate planets would act to separate groups into distinct genetic populations which would then have different selection pressures put upon them. Even without selection pressure, genetic drift in both populations would result in differences compounding over time. Hu…

Most genetic drift happens during 'bottleneck' periods where >80% of the population dies due to selective pressure.

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by mrtesthah »

scottyah wrote: post #502
mrtesthah wrote: post #488

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Especially when it comes to ethnic cleansing, peoples' terminally online claims don't factor in from any side; this isn't about partisans or discourse. We are talking about official government policy and statements. This is substantiated, without any constitutional precedent, and extremely dangerous. The equivalent actions on the left that you posed, increasing non-white representation in media, a) is not government…

It's the knee-jerk reactions to "look at the other side!" that makes me think you're in a bubble. Also your references to certain small groups on the right-side spectrum as the whole while claiming (rightly) that other small groups on the left-side don't represent the mainstream. I was just trying to give you a few examples as a starting point for research since you seem to be completely oblivious to them, I am not h…

Guy, you're talking about groups that comprise social discourse whereas I'm talking only and specifically about the concrete policies and practices enacted by the Trump regime. The counter-examples you provided are not parallel mappings.
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