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Amazon's Ring and Google's Nest reveal the severity of U.S. surveillance state

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You'd prefer train stations don't have CCTV? What about when an attack happens?

I'd argue they should be better positioned, to minimize off-railroad property intrusion.

They still need to capture incidents in the station itself.

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> If the administration asked Bezos, and he gets a benefit out of it. He will task his marketing team On what planet would the ask be marketing copy versus straight access?

I meant that the admin would ask Bezoz for the surveillance, and he would tell his marketing team to find a frame which makes the surveillance look good.

> he would tell his marketing team to find a frame which makes the surveillance look good

In a Super Bowl spot? Why? Nobody was taking out Super Bowl spots for their PRISM participation.

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We have a branch of government called Congress, here are some things they used to do that made it a crime to read your mail or listen to your phone calls. 1. Postal Service Act of 1792 2. Electronic Communications Privacy Act (ECPA) of 1986 Anyway, Facebook can read your DMs, Google can read your email, Ring can take photos from your camera. We can very easily make those things a crime, but we don't seem to want to d…

> We have a branch of government called Congress ... that has been virtually useless as it has been rendered ineffective by Republican obstructionism and the unwillingness of the Democrats to counteract it, leading to the current state of Trump being able to do what he wants completely unchecked.

That's a flaw of the constitution and it's revisions.

You should always assume bad actors when designing a political system.

And that's why parliamentary republics where you elect parties that form coalitions that chooses a prime minister who still has to deal with opposition and its own party support, every day, are much more resilient to authoritarianisn.

In fact there hasn't been a single parliamentary republic to turn authoritarian since Sri Lanka 50 years ago. Presidential ones? As many as you wish.

It's very stupid to elect single individuals to executive power.

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In my opinion there is a too strong connection now between these private corporations and "politicians". Everyone can be bribed. The only way I see a change possibility is for people to think about how to change this collectively. Pushing for open source everywhere would be one partial strategy that could work in certain areas.

How do we accomplish such abstract goals when 54% of U.S. adults aged 16–74 read below a sixth-grade level?

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> Even getting your neighbors to re-position their Ring cameras (which they have every right to install) can become very difficult. In Germany it's prohibited by law to point your private surveillance camera to public spaces like the boardwalk, no recording of these areas is allowed. I think thats the way it should be. Unfortunately in some areas (e.g. train stations) it is allowed.

You'd prefer train stations don't have CCTV? What about when an attack happens?

That’s what this ENTIRE conversation is about… the (ostensible) trade off between surveillance and security.

In the case of an attack, I’d wish for a gendarme not a recording that would let me relive the experience.

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It really depends where the restaurant is located.

Name a place it isn’t true.

I'm Italian, there's plenty of stellar places with no online presence and endless customers.

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I know it seems hard, but just stop using Google, Amazon, Meta products. Tell everyone you know to stop using their products. They have all been acquiring and amassing surveillance for years through their products and now they're just double dipping with AI training to sell you more of it. The more you can get people to realize and disconnect the better. I wish more people would use AI to build alternatives with a cl…

I'm not sure its necessarily that simple. For example, because of the job market for software engineers I have moved to new cities multiple times during my adult life. As a result, my social network is highly fragmented and without Facebook it would be incredibly difficult for me to manage. So for me "stop using Facebook" sound similar to saying "burn all of your family photos and throw away your ability to talk to m…

Nonsense, those aren't real relationships if you don't have numbers to each other and the relationships die with you deleting an account.

I've deleted all of my socials but LinkedIn in 2019 and I haven't missed anything at all.

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I'd argue they should be better positioned, to minimize off-railroad property intrusion.

They still need to capture incidents in the station itself.

This argument justifies CCTV surveillance of all public places.

Is that what you intend to be arguing for? In any case, there needs to be more nuance in the discussion than a one-liner.

I think the quantity of surveillance matters. When it’s just a few places, then it’s a minor intrusion on liberty. When it’s a lot of places, it’s a major intrusion that will facilitate the (further) rise of authoritarianism.

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Facebook (if you don't use newsfeed) is a very useful product. Local events - check Local groups - check Small time music bands/artist/performances/etc - check Buy nothing groups where I can get rid of something I don't use - check Groups for mom with kids to get organized for some kids event - check A library having a read together event for a kids book author - check I'm happy I don't have to use FB, but my wife us…

Is that in the US? I’m genuinely asking, it wasn’t rethorical - none of that exists in my corner of Europe anymore. Businesses, indie stuff and local stores use instagram, groups are WhatsApp, second hand stuff has its own app.. facebook seems to be just the >60 year old crowd.

I'm polish/Italian and Facebook is the major source of local events information in both countries.
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