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Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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I’ve so far resisted using HN for tech support, but I’ll jump on the macOS hate bandwagon. My MBP M1 Max with 32 GB RAM has become near-unusable with Tahoe. Trying to switch users? Frozen. Click on something? Beachballs. There’s visible stutter and hangs in the lock screen animations. I hate it so much.

I'm running Tahoe on an M1 Air with 16GB RAM and it's been smooth for me. Might be worth trying a fresh OS install? Something seems off with your setup.

>Might be worth trying a fresh OS install?

Very "Windows-y", no?

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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While I get the butterfly keyboard hate (though mine is so far still perfectly fine) the USB-C ports were amazing. I have a 2016 MBpro and that thing still cooks really well. As somebody who worked in video production those ports were a godsend. No more waiting around for footage to transfer all the damn time. Complete game changer. Plus with one or two quality docks I could plug-in literally anything I ever needed.…

It introduced USB-C before it was ubiquitous even on smartphones, at least in my area. All the peripherals still needed a dongle, it was the dongle era. The keyboard was okay to type on once I got used to the short travel, but the keycaps easily broke off, and dust would get in and the keys wouldn't register. Also, the whole laptop would get very hot, at least the 13" pro without the touchbar. I prefer the older 2015…

Like I said, totally get the keyboard hate. Mine just turned out perfectly fine.

People hated the dongles but again I could hook up everything. Dozens of connections with throughput I could never get before. It was fantastic for my needs and still is!

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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post #168

Screens are getting bigger and bigger, yet they make things smaller and harder to click on. Back in the days when it was common for Macintosh to have 640x480 screens (or even smaller), they still fully visible window controls that were impossible to miss. https://erichelgeson.github.io/blog/2021/03/23/ultimate-syst...

I’ve been a mac user since 1994, system 7, and it feels to me like the overall Mac user experience and reliability (stability, speed, etc) really peaked with Snow Leopard, 10.6. This probably has a lot to do with the vastly improved hardware design around then - the touchpad specifically on the “blackbook” Core 2 Duo era macbooks was a step change, and they keyboard was pretty great too. Multi-monitor support was fan…

>...really peaked with Snow Leopard, 10.6.

Which was just a couple of years after the iPhone. After the iPhone, the Mac was the new Apple ][, i.e. something they kept around to make some money, but didn't really care about.

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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It broke some NSWindow styles: https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/814798

The sad part is we all know the real solution is to just UNDO THE DAMN FISHER PRICE ROUNDING NO ONE CARED THAT THE WINDOW CORNER RADIUS DIDN'T MATCH AN IPAD, IT DOESN'T NEED TO

It's because touch screens are coming to MacBooks.

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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I think it shows how difficult it is to ship a seemingly easy thing inside the Apple machine. I'm more interested in how or why this bug was approved up be worked on so quickly after it was surfaced, rather than other longstanding and arguably more impactful bugs.

It's because the bug got publicity. Apple marketing prioritizes what does and doesn't get built. Someone saw bad publicity on the front page of HN and requested a fix.

Exactly. It got a lot of publicity, even inside Apple.

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I'm running Tahoe on an M1 Air with 16GB RAM and it's been smooth for me. Might be worth trying a fresh OS install? Something seems off with your setup.

>Might be worth trying a fresh OS install? Very "Windows-y", no?

Yup. That's where macOS is now.

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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post #192

You think this is bad? Try using Apple Music with a traditional mouse. You can’t even right click on half of the interface, dragging elements near to scrollable edges doesn’t trigger any scroll, and UI elements like the star on favourited songs just don’t show up. It’s marginally better on a trackpad.

Apple doesn't sell traditional mice. They don't care about them. Be happy they still work at all.

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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post #138

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Wish it worked on all windows. For some reason Settings is exempt from this, for example.

It (partially) works, but only if the cursor is NOT hovering over the right portion of the window. So only 30% works.

Oh I guess I never tried while clicking on the Sidebar!

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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post #177

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Using a trackpad gesture is just as quick, easier, more spatially natural, and only uses one hand. My left hand is not always on my keyboard. I'm not always typing. I'm not modelling 100% of my computer usage after "how to get RSI the fastest"; sometimes, I allow myself to lean back in my chair and just scroll the web, documents, photos etc. from time to time.

> Using a trackpad gesture is just as quick Definitely not, many of swish gestures require you to move the mouse cursor to the title bar, which takes time, also holding a key and performing a simpler gesture can’t be slower than performing a more complicated gesture (which it needs to be to deconflict with regular mouse use) Also many gestures have a delay built in so you can cancel or double down for a different fun…

> Using a trackpad gesture is just as quick.

> Definitely not

Sounds like a you problem.

> easier.

> It's harder [...]

Sounds like a you problem.

> [...] because you have to memorise more gestures and perform more complicated ones.

Oh no, how will I ever remember (checks notes) swiping. On a Trackpad!? Insane.

> More spatially natural

> That makes no sense.

I swipe left, window goes left. I swipe right, window goes right. I swipe up, window goes up. I swipe down, windows goes down.

It's as close to actually flicking the windows around the space provided without getting a touch screen.

> and only uses one hand

We agree.

> unless, of course, your other hand is always near a corner

Corner of what?

> you don't need to type to have your left hand rest [...]

Big assumption that I'm left-handed. The modifiers on the right-hand side of some keyboards, including on notebooks, are seriously iffy.

> [...] rest near the left near corner of the keyboard

If my other arm isn't anywhere close to the computer, then it's nowhere near the keyboard, let alone the corner.

> you've just moved your RSI to your right hand

How often am I swiping windows? Barely.

Are you also saying any use of the trackpad or mouse, no matter how little, is automatically RSI?

Whereas having your fingers nearly-permanently at the ready over (or near the corner of) the keyboard is A-OK?

> Also hands have the same length, so leaning back doesn't prevent leaving one finger on a modifier

Back to the RSI angle because my hands are not glued to the keyboard. The way you seem to think so tells me you only sit at a desktop when using a computer, you never slouch, you never slump, you never use a notebook computer.

> it's just that none of your arguments support it.

Or your imagination cannot allow it.

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Using a trackpad gesture is just as quick, easier, more spatially natural, and only uses one hand. My left hand is not always on my keyboard. I'm not always typing. I'm not modelling 100% of my computer usage after "how to get RSI the fastest"; sometimes, I allow myself to lean back in my chair and just scroll the web, documents, photos etc. from time to time.

> sometimes, I allow myself to lean back in my chair and just scroll WHAT??! This cannot be allowed!! /s It's clear from reading programmer geek thoughts on peripherals over the years that autistic types love the "Use keyboard 100% of the time!" dogma because it is black-and-white thinking. The idea of someone knowing how to do things in a multitude of ways and changing it up based on mood is displeasing.

It's tiring to discuss because it's never that they could ever sympathise with my usage, it's that they are physically (yes, physically!) incapable of imagining anything other than their own usage.

See also: Linux users who insist all you need is a terminal and vim. Exact same thing.

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