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Re: Vouch

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Post by sdenton4 »

Fnoord wrote: post #384
Bayko wrote: post #285

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Indian here. You are correct. Expecting any employed Indian software developer to not be able to spare 1$ is stupid. Like how exactly poor do you think we are?!

You misunderstood the point. The point isn't that you are poor. The point is that the burden of the money lies on average heavier on you than someone from USA. This creates an uneven playing field. I like to compare it with donations. If you get a USD donated, that is the same USD regardless of who gave it. Right? Right?!? Either way you don't know how heavy the burden is on the person who donated. You probably don't…

Why let the perfect be the enemy of the good?

A $1 fee is fine for Indian software developers and it kills the spam. If it's a greater burden for people in India than the US, well, not all solutions are perfect, but some are useful.

Re: Vouch

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Post by nobody9999 »

SJC_Hacker wrote: post #433
nobody9999 wrote: post #408

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>First you have to make it low-friction. If I want Joe Average to send me $1 in cryptocurrency, how is he getting $1 in cryptocurrency to send me? Absolutely. You're 1000% correct. Cryptocurrency is way too high friction for stuff like that. When I wish to spend crypto, I need to: [If you don't have an exchange account already, you'll need the 0.x steps too!] 0.0 Create an account on an exchange which is legally allo…

All the setup is no worse than setting up a bank account And technically it can be avoided through back channels if you know someone who already has it - can just pay them cash or whatever and they can send crypto to you Crypto is very easy to transfer once you have a wallet Its the exchange to/from real world currency where the friction is.

Sorry for the late reply.

You're correct, as far as it goes.

However, we weren't talking about using cryptocurrency in general, but in a very specific way: Making micropayments to devs as a mechanism to limit AI slop PRs to open source projects.

Doing that effectively would require broad implementation of some sort of payment scheme.

Given the current (as I documented) hoops one needs to jump through to obtain cryptocurrency if one doesn't have any, especially just for a random user to get crypto to send $1 to a github repo with their PR makes exactly zero sense.

Yes. Buying drugs and other stuff outside of the mainstream economy is definitely worth the effort. To send $1/PR for escrow to limit spam? Not so much.

Re: Vouch

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Post by chairmansteve »

account42 wrote: post #425
chairmansteve wrote: post #423

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"It's made me realize that the love of money corrupts". Yep. How about $1 per PR. The submitter gets to choose from a list of charities. No refund if the PR is accepted. The goal is to get rid of junk PR's. This would work. There could be a central payment system, which any open source project can integrate with. It could accept payment in say India, of the Indian PPP of $1, so you aren't shutting out poorer develope…

I would not pay any amount of money, even a trivial one, for the privilege of being able to do free work for a project - and I don't think I'm an outlier here.

The money is going to a charity of your choice.

Re: Vouch

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Post by chairmansteve »

wongarsu wrote: post #453
account42 wrote: post #425

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I would not pay any amount of money, even a trivial one, for the privilege of being able to do free work for a project - and I don't think I'm an outlier here.

Most of my PRs are drive-by PRs: I have an problem, maybe a bug or missing feature, that annoyed me enough to fix it. And because I want to use future versions without the work of maintaining a fork I instead invest the work to upstream the fix. A step that is sometimes more work than the fix itself. At that point I wouldn't mind paying $1 to get that PR looked at and merged. But that is not the only type of PR. We c…

"We clearly need escape hatches for people who engage with a project on a deeper level".

Yep. The project maintainer can whitelist those people.

Re: Vouch

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Post by bastawhiz »

zahrevsky wrote: post #239
bastawhiz wrote: post #231

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I'll simply never file PRs, then. I'd say 4 out of every 5 PRs I file never get a response. Some on very large projects, and I like to think my PRs are more useful than docs fixes or pointless refactors. I'm simply not going to spend money to have to float around in the void endlessly because a maintainer lost interest in the project and won't ever look at my PR, I'll simply keep my changes on a downstream fork. More…

The system could be set up to automatically refund, if your PR wasn't checked for over $AVERAGE_TIME_TO_FIRST_REVIEW$ days. The variable is specific to the project, and even can be recalculated regularly and be parameterized with PR size.

I don't think you heard what I said: I don't want to pay money to contribute to someone else's project. If I fixed your bug, I'm not paying you money for you to ignore my PR for _any_ amount of time, I'm simply not going to contribute back.

Re: Vouch

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Post by Fnoord »

sdenton4 wrote: post #501
Fnoord wrote: post #384

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You misunderstood the point. The point isn't that you are poor. The point is that the burden of the money lies on average heavier on you than someone from USA. This creates an uneven playing field. I like to compare it with donations. If you get a USD donated, that is the same USD regardless of who gave it. Right? Right?!? Either way you don't know how heavy the burden is on the person who donated. You probably don't…

Why let the perfect be the enemy of the good? A $1 fee is fine for Indian software developers and it kills the spam. If it's a greater burden for people in India than the US, well, not all solutions are perfect, but some are useful.

Because it discriminates a marginalized group which is by tradition very important to the FOSS community: students

Also, no it wouldn't kill spam. The spam would be moved to pwned machines where the owner would suddenly have an incentive (financial) to fix the system, if they know.

What remains is people who would be so rich that $1 means nothing to them. Ie. white collar criminals who are already rich enough to not care.

Re: Vouch

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Post by tom_m »

This is essentially the death of open-source software.

I understand that projects will probably get floods of PRs and such given how easy it is to do stuff with AI now... And maybe it's AI that is to blame for it all. That's fair.

But no good will come of this strategy. I think it's even possible that we will see a massive stall in innovation now.

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