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Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by arwhatever »

marssaxman wrote: post #294
kemotep wrote: post #127

Microsoft really needs to get a better handle with the naming conventions. There is Microsoft Copilot, which replaced Bing Chat, Cortana and uses OpenAI’s GPT-4 and 5 models. There is Github Copilot, the coding autocomplete tool. There is Microsoft 365 Copilot, what they now call Office with built in GenAI stuff. There is also a Copilot cli that lets you use whatever agent/model backend you want too? Everything is Co…

> Microsoft really needs to get a better handle with the naming conventions. They really won't, though; Microsoft just does this kind of thing, over and over and over. Before everything was named "365", it was all "One", before that it was "Live"... 20 years ago, everything was called ".NET" whether it had anything to do with the Internet or not. Back in the '90s they went crazy for a while calling everything "Active…

Do your teams use the teams feature in Teams?

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by lelanthran »

paxys wrote: post #123
jckahn wrote: post #121

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Yeah I don't understand why everyone seems to have forgotten about the Gemini options. Antigravity, Jules, and Gemini CLI are as good as the alternatives but are way more cost effective. I want for nothing with my $20/mo Google AI plan.

Yeah I'm on the $20/mo Google plan and have been rate limited maybe twice in 2 months. Tried the equivalent Claude plan for a similar workload and lasted maybe 40 minutes before it asked me to upgrade to Max to continue.

> Yeah I'm on the $20/mo Google plan and have been rate limited maybe twice in 2 months. Tried the equivalent Claude plan for a similar workload and lasted maybe 40 minutes before it asked me to upgrade to Max to continue.

The TLDR: The $20/40m cost is more reflective of what inference actually costs, including the amortised cost of the Capex, together with the Opex.

The Long Read:

I think the reason is because Anthropic is attempting to run inference at a profit and Google isn't.

Another reason could be that they don't own their cost centers (GPUs are from Nvidia, Cloud instances are from AWS, data centers from AWS, etc); they own only the model but rent everything else needed for inference so pay a margin for all those rented cost centers.

Google owns their entire vertical (GPUs are google-made, Cloud instances and datacenters are Google-owned, etc) and can apply vertical cost optimisations, so their final cost of inference is going to be much cheaper anyway even if they were not subsidising inference with their profits from unrelated business units.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by lelanthran »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #318
paxys wrote: post #111

For one reason or another everyone seems to be sleeping on Gemini. I have been exclusively using Gemini 3 Flash to code these days and it stands up right alongside Opus and others while having a much smaller, faster and cheaper footprint. Combine it with Antigravity and you're basically using a cheat code.

I'm also using Gemini and it's the only option that consistently works for me so far. I'm using it in chat mode with copy&paste and it's pleasant to work with. Both Claude and ChatGPT were unbearable, not primarily because of lack of technical abilities but because of their conversational tone. Obviously, it's pointless to take things personally with LLMs but they were so passive-aggressive and sometimes maliciously…

> Both Claude and ChatGPT were unbearable, not primarily because of lack of technical abilities but because of their conversational tone.

It's pretty much trial and error.

I tried using ChatGPT via the webchat interface on Sunday and it was so terse and to the point that it was basically useless. I had to repeatedly prompt for all the hidden details that I basically gave up and used a different webchat LLM (I regularly switch between ChatGPT, Claude, Grok and Gemini).

When I used it a month ago, it would point out potential footguns, flaws, etc. I suppose it just reinforces the point that "experience" gained using LLMs is mostly pointless, your experience gets invalidated the minute a model changes, or a system prompt changes, etc.

For most purposes, they are all mostly the same i.e. produce output so similar you won't notice a difference.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by lelanthran »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #89
mcintyre1994 wrote: post #38

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Claude Code is one of a very few AI tools where I genuinely think the people at the company who build it use it all the time.

They absolutely do, the CEO has come out and said a few engineers have told him that they dont even write code by hand anymore. To some people that sounds horrifying, but a good engineer would not just take code blindly, they would read it and refine it using Claude, while still saving hundreds of man hours.

> They absolutely do, the CEO has come out and said a few engineers have told him that they dont even write code by hand anymore. To some people that sounds horrifying, but a good engineer would not just take code blindly, they would read it and refine it using Claude, while still saving hundreds of man hours.

TBH, that isn't sustainable. Skills atrophy. At some point they are going take the code blindly.

Considering what they have said in the past about agentic code changes, they are already doing just that - blindly approving code from the agent. I say this because when I last read what one of their engineers on CC tweeted/posted/whatever, I thought to myself "No human can review that many lines of code per month"[1].

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[1] IIRC, it was something stupid like 30kLoc reviewed in a month by a single engineer.

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Post by longnighthn »

pezezin wrote: post #439
hightrix wrote: post #337

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To further your argument, look at the XBOX. It is impossible to tell which is the latest model by name alone. Where the playstation is simple, the latest is the 5, the previous was the 4, and the one before that was the 3.

To be fair, only Sony follows a consistent naming convention. Nintendo's console names also defy any logic, as did Sega back in the day.

Sony's naming style for its mobile phone series is also terrible.

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Post by Paradigma11 »

simplyinfinity wrote: post #237
Paradigma11 wrote: post #224

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My peak experience so far was trying to search if there was an extension of dotnet interactive for visual studio or only for visual studio code.

the interactive console is built into Visual Studio, no extension needed

https://github.com/dotnet/interactive

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Post by pezezin »

somat wrote: post #484
OkayPhysicist wrote: post #472

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Nintendo's strategy isn't the absolute worst. They mostly just give new names to new console designs, with modifiers to specify next-gen-without-major-changes. So the SNES was a next-gen NES, the N64 was its own thing, the GameCube was its own thing, the Gameboy, Gameboy Color, and Gameboy Advanced were iterations on the same thing, DS, DSi, 3DS were all generation steps. WiiU was a next-gen Wii, Switch 2 is a next-g…

I would put the would put the wii firmly in the gamecube family line. it's a uprated gamecube with a weird controller. nes:snes = 6502 n64 = mips gamecube:wii:wiiu = powerpc switch:switch2 = arm

Yes, the Wii is essentially an overclocked GameCube with a bit more RAM and as you mentioned, a weird controller.

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Post by arcologies1985 »

frozenlettuce wrote: post #442
arcologies1985 wrote: post #70

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Probably because "Windows Modern Standby" makes laptops unusable by turning them on in your backpack and cooking them. https://youtu.be/OHKKcd3sx2c

I remember having this issue back in 2014... maybe the tech is not there yet.

2014 was when Modern Standby was introduced.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by falloutx »

prmph wrote: post #374
falloutx wrote: post #251

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Microsoft can just get one of thier devs to build a coding agent but instead all of these companies are just bowing down to Anthropic just because Anthropic is selling execs a dream situation where they can fire most of the devs. None of the other coding agents are any worse than CC, Gemini & Crush are even better, Codex is decent and even something like Opencode is catching up.

Nah, Claude Code is really that better. I should know, every few months I try to move away from Claude Code, only to come running back to it. Gemini CLI (not the model) is trash, I wish it weren't so, but I only have to try to use for a short time before I give up. It regularly retains stale file contents (even after re-prompting), constantly crashes, does not show diffs properly, etc, etc. I recently tried OpenCode.…

> Advice to agentic CLI developers: Just copy Claude Code's UX exactly, that's your starting point.

What? Its not even the best experience. The best UX is done by Crush. and they nail the experience, but its slightly worse because they made it work for all models.

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