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No, you just claimed that anyone saying he wasn't obstructing is engaging in a fallacious argument. He wasn't obstructing, he was filming them. That's a literal fact, not a fallacy.
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Does it really matter what rhetorical mechanism someone tries to use for this defence?
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But the MAGA cult will find yet another explanation that this man magically hurt the 4 ICE agents and they all ended up in a hospital somehow, or that carrying weapons with a permit is unacceptable if you vote democrat
Actually the folks at /r/conservative are more-or-less agreeing with the left-leaning majority opinion at the moment. https://archive.ph/nYEXh
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> it's easy to see the very real authoritarian bend of comfortable professionals who are smart but also in favor of, say, summary execution of people for protesting There’s that rhetoric I’m talking about! Thanks for giving a perfect example. For topics like these, the expectation is that everyone comes in here and expresses sufficient levels of outrage. After all, if you’re scrolling through all the posts showing th…
You might consider (though perhaps not agree) that no where in my post did I insinuate that "flagging" was the same as taking a position on the subject: my statement was about why I do, indeed, find utility these conversations you don't find useful. That a) says nothing about my take on your understanding/ position on the issues around protest or politics and b) is a request to understand my position and not, like, a…
The conversation in this particular thread has gone off the rails, in large part because I am very angry about what’s happening, and I tend to get heated in replies. So I apologize for letting my anger get the best of me in this particular instance.
My only point was to say “I flagged this, but not because I’m ignoring it.”
I flagged it because I truly believe to my core that anonymous online discussion about emotional political topics is causing this country’s descent into fascism. Whipping people into a frenzy against one another, causes hatred to amplify past where it would be if it were just about the story itself. The discussions are where people go to out-signal each other, even if nobody’s there to argue the other point. Then if someone does end up saying something like “hmm, looks like the protester was actually carrying a gun” (or something equally not-wrong but clearly not the expected expression of ICE-hatred we all expect), they’re now the target of everyone’s anger. All that brewing hatred is now pointed at that one person, because they’re the closest thing on the site to someone who is actually pro-ICE. Then we have people like you casually saying things about this site being full of tech bros who are just fine with executions… I just feel like we need to tone everything way down. We need to be calm, to be honest. I know it’s hard. I don’t really know what else to say… it’s hard to formulate thoughts clearly in times like these.
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No, its prosecution for supporting terrorists.
Some guy comes into your restaurant and eats a meal. Pays cash. Leaves. He was ICE. You're now subject to charges from the state of Minnesota? That sounds like maybe not entirely the best idea.
You've truly found a loophole.
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> So a U.S. citizen who is a legal, permitted gun owner with no outstanding criminal charges, legally carrying in public, who complies with the law and informs a DHS officer that they are legally carrying, is effectively subject to summary execution without due process.... a federal officer shooting and killing a legal gun owner solely for possessing a gun in their presence. This completely misrepresents what happene…
I suspect it won't matter to you, but there's clear footage now of officers having removed the gun from the suspect long before he was shot. He was pinned and prone when he was executed. Claiming this was "defensive" is just a lie.
Why is the focus on Minneapolis? Is it really the training ground for ICE? Edit: "Minnesota has the largest Somali population in the US, according to NBC. The community has been subject to widespread criticism from Mr Trump, who has called them "garbage"."
Somalis and Ilhan Omar.
Was talking to a Unitarian Universalist minister recently. He says his life is pretty much dealing with immigration issues for the past year.
He said there is considerable 'chatter' that the next significant target will be Maine because there is a large-ish Somali community there.
I have no idea how reliable that chatter is, so take it as a piece of gossip on the internet.
I looked at the video and have no words. Why, just why?
>what’s happening in Minnesota is method, not madness. Trump wants violence, to radicalize & divide, to create pretext for crackdowns.
>...Having lived through a similar, nationwide version of this in Trump's model, Putin's Russia, it’s not easy to fight against (https://x.com/Kasparov63/status/2015126502845587957)
I'm not American and not saying it's right or wrong but maybe?
The videos from this are numerous and very clear about what happened. And yet, all the officials are telling that a guy is a domestic terrorist and approached ICE officers with a gun, with intent to kill them. How crazy is that ? And if they do this in cases where everything is filmed, you can only imagine what's happening behind the scenes.
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I don’t know you but I hope wherever you are you’re safe and have a good idea of what your next steps are going to be. I’m getting increasingly distraught over what’s happening myself. It’s starting to affect my family life and I’m having a lot of trouble coping. Venting on the internet is a way for a lot of people to come to grips with what they’re seeing. I understand. If this is what helps you cope, I won’t stop y…