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Heathrow scraps liquid container limit

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Re: Heathrow scraps liquid container limit

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Post by andrepd »

gambiting wrote: post #258
kleiba wrote: post #232

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> This can be traced to people in a car believe they can control whether they have an accident or not (and largely can). This is true. In France, about two thirds out of the people dying in a car accident are the actual drivers responsible for the accident, according to the 2024 Road Safety Report.

And if France it's anything like the UK, the absolute vast majority of these deaths are people driving drunk at night. If you are driving in city traffic at 20mph commuting to work your chance of dying is nearly zero - there's always a chance someone else might be speeding and crash into you, sure, but it's nowhere near the general rate of deaths in cars. As a seque to this - knowing the above, I find it insane that…

That not true. Drunk driving is not remotely the biggest cause, let alone the "vast majority". Speeding is.

And also: note you're only considering the pov of a person inside a car. In the last decade deaths among pedestrians and cyclists have skyrocketed, courtesy of society willingly accepting that it is normal and rational to have 4000kg vehicles with 180bhp being used ubiquitously to move 70kg humans to the grocery store. Since public infrastructure is completely designed around cars, with pedestrians and cyclists pushed to the edges or protected from cars by lines of white paint, it's no wonder this is happening.

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Post by adrian_b »

xxs wrote: post #310
wiredfool wrote: post #292

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In Zurich, you can buy Swiss army knives in the secure zone.

That's ok - 6cm blades are allowed. You can also carry it in a cabin luggage anyways. realistically any broken glass bottle can be used as a blade.

Whether they are allowed or not, probably depends on the place.

In Germany, at Frankfurt, I had to dump in a garbage bin a smaller Swiss army knife, to be allowed to pass.

I had it because my high-speed train of Deutsche Bahn had arrived more than one hour late, so there was no time to check in my luggage.

After losing the knife, I ran through the airport towards my gate, but I arrived there a few seconds after the gate was closed. Thus I had to spend the night at a hotel and fly next day, despite losing my knife in the failed attempt to catch the plane. Thanks Deutsche Bahn !

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Post by account42 »

astura wrote: post #459
londons_explore wrote: post #253

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Some airports charge money for water after security. Others disallow even empty bottles at security screening

Nobody disallows empty bottles through security, that's a lie.

I have had an empty water bottle thrown away once so it's not a lie even if it might not be universal.

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Post by vidarh »

wiredfool wrote: post #458
vidarh wrote: post #327

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As far as I know, it's not. You're now specifically told to not take liquid out of your luggage. At least that was the situation when I flew out of London Gatwick last time - they had people going up and down before the scanners admonishing people to leave everything in their bags to avoid delay.

We had 4 bags go through, 3 had liquids (2 water bottles and one Barenfang) in them. All three were pulled for secondary screening, at which point they put the specific liquid bottles in a secondary scanner and cleared them. So, yes, they stay in the bag, but then they're pulled out and scanned separately, at least in Frankfurt.

They're definitely not at Gatwick, at least not "by default".

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Post by Scoundreller »

closewith wrote: post #444
Muromec wrote: post #240

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Mitivated terrorists pivoted to driving cars into crowds and shootings.

As horrific as truck attacks, mass shootings, and suicide bombings have been, no-one have been on the same order of magnitude as airborne terrorism attacks. The Bataclan, Las Vegas, Nice truck attack - all enormous tragedies. But compare to 9/11, Lockerbie, Flight 182, etc.

Bataclan = 132 deaths + ??? injuries

Nice Truck = 86 deaths, 458 injured

Lockerbie = 270 deaths (presumably 0 injuries)

Air India = 329 (also presumably no injuries)

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Post by shevy-java »

That liquid limit never made any real sense to me; it always seemed arbitrary.

Now - I don't think I was ever affected by it in any way, shape or form, though I also rarely use(d) the plane. But to me it seemed more as if it was an attempt to meta-engineer the opinion of people, e. g. to make them fearful of danger xyz. When I look at the current US administration and how the ICE deathsquads operate (two US citizens shot dead already), with that administration instantly defending them without even any trial, then this also seems more a propaganda operation - that one being more reminiscent of the 1930s supposedly, but we had this wave of propaganda before (e. g. both Bush presidents; Noriega capture is somewhat similar to Maduro, though the latter situation seems more as if the other officials in Venezuela purposefully gave him up - watch how the sanctions will be removed in a short while).

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

jeffwass wrote: post #293
michaelt wrote: post #271

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Airport prices in the UK for recreational travel work like so: Flight from London to Barcelona: £16 Bottle of water past security: £5 Train to airport: £26 Taxi enters drop-off area for 30 seconds: £7 A person who wants to get the advertised flight at the advertised price has to be very careful.

Even in your own car dropping off your friends or family at a UK airport (at least the London ones) requires paying a £6 fee now. Just to get to the dropoff area, even for 30 seconds as you say. But hey, at least the luggage carts are free…

At Edinburgh airport, you can park at the Park and Ride nearby but it costs a tenner to get from there to the airport - a distance you could walk in about 20 minutes.

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Post by shevy-java »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #71

This just adds confusion as to the purpose of all this. The motivation behind the liquid limits is that there are extremely powerful explosives that are stable water-like liquids. Average people have never heard of them because they aren’t in popular lore. There has never been an industrial or military use, solids are simpler. Nonetheless, these explosives are easily accessible to a knowledgeable chemist like me. The…

> It would be great if governments were more explicit about precisely what all of this theater is intended to prevent.

That is a good statement. It IS a theater. So, the point for it IS the theater. The "evil terrorists" is just the scapegoat wrapper, similar to how officials in the EU constantly try to extend mass surveillance and claim it is to "protect children".

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Post by account42 »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #396
matwood wrote: post #296

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> They don't stop hijackings (locking the cockpit door does that) 9/11 also stopped all future hijackings. Up to that point passengers were trained that if they stayed calm they would likely survive. Now? Short of the hijackers getting guns on the plane, passengers will absolutely fight back. > they don't stop bombings (there are much better targets for that, which don't involve killing the bomber) Suicide bombers ar…

> Suicide bombers are probably the main vector that TSA helps avoid even if they miss some items sometimes. Not really, but this is because there are pretty much no suicide bombers anywhere in airports. They are incredibly rare. But if you're a suicide bomber, by the time you get to the TSA checkpoint you can do a ton of damage inside a terminal during a holiday season when all airports are packed. Until then no one…

As far as the terror in terrorism goes, blowing up a plane or hijacking it and flying it into a building is a much bigger impact than blowing up a queue of people. It doesn't need to be rational.

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Post by mcculley »

shevy-java wrote: post #506

That liquid limit never made any real sense to me; it always seemed arbitrary. Now - I don't think I was ever affected by it in any way, shape or form, though I also rarely use(d) the plane. But to me it seemed more as if it was an attempt to meta-engineer the opinion of people, e. g. to make them fearful of danger xyz. When I look at the current US administration and how the ICE deathsquads operate (two US citizens…

> it seemed more as if it was an attempt to meta-engineer the opinion of people, e. g. to make them fearful of danger xyz

> how the ICE deathsquads operate

Hanlon's Razor applies. These are not complicated conspiracies. Just myopic humans making bad decisions.

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