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Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Post by Esophagus4 »

korhojoa wrote: post #489
Esophagus4 wrote: post #460

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You know car emissions are like 15% total greenhouse gas emissions in the US right? And half that worldwide. This is just the most visible source for a bunch of people who have made their conclusion unencumbered by the data. The emissions from powering and heating your house are several times what your car emissions are. So go solve that one and leave my Corolla alone.

That is some whataboutism. You do realize that net zero homes are buildable? Even in surprisingly challenging climates. There are so many ways to make better use of the energy we have available than to waste a bunch of it to pollute the air.

Zero greenhouse emissions isn't a remotely achievable goal.

I hope you have never run a technology project this way by starting with a goal that simply can't be accomplished; you would have set it up to fail, demoralized your team, and chased the wrong priorities.

The goal is net zero, meaning, emissions added = emissions removed. There must be an allowance for some emissions. Industrial human life cannot continue without some amount of greenhouse emissions.

For that goal, I am way better off driving less than buying a new EV - it releases greenhouse gases to produce the plastic in your Tesla and the battery in your Nissan Leaf.

I walk to the supermarket. I work from home. I don't eat red meat. I'm careful with my home electricity consumption. For the third time in this thread: my old 4 cylinder Corolla is not the thing standing between us and existential doom. Focus on more important things.

I don't understand the myopic focus on car emissions: is it because Elon talks about it? Is it because it's the most easily seen for you?

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Post by trgn »

quantum_magpie wrote: post #298
tobyhinloopen wrote: post #271

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EU automaters fail at making modern cars. They just put a bunch of screens in there with awful software. If you go all screens, just commit like Tesla. If you can't beat Tesla, just stick with minimal screens and use buttons. Somewhere between 2010 and 2020, most automakers went crazy with their designs and it went all downhill from there.

I have a 2020 Fiat 500 Abarth, and it is absolutely perfect: There is a screen (I think 7") for Android Auto/CarPlay/radio/nav, and every single other function in the car has a physical button. It is also absolutely gorgeous - pinnacle of design, IMO

i still miss the interior of my 2010 fiat punto

Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Post by AndyMcConachie »

melenaboija wrote: post #166
bnchrch wrote: post #2

While the headline is interesting. I think the table at the end of the article is more so. - Worldwide sales -10% YoY - China sales -26% YoY And when you cross compare Porsche saying they sold more EV powertrains than their gas equivalents against China's new found foothold as the market leader in consumer electric cars (BYD, NIO, Xiaomi, etc...) Then I think you see an early indication not just of electric car domin…

> Then I think you see an early indication not just of electric car dominance, but of the (very potential) rise of China as the premier automotive super power. It’s done man. Americans are stuck in ICE engines because they’ve been told they’re “car enthusiasts” while the Chinese have been developing EV technology for years. Meanwhile, European makers are stuck not knowing what to do, make Americans happy or compete w…

It has everything to do with regulation and almost nothing to do with "car enthusiasts".

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Post by projektfu »

bluedino wrote: post #490
costcopizza wrote: post #463

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I can 100% confidently say the average US buyer is not an auto enthusiast. Cars are appliances to the vast majority of people here. There are multiple other factors for the relatively low adoption of EVs compared to China.

> I can 100% confidently say the average US buyer is not an auto enthusiast. Cars are appliances to the vast majority of people here. Only like 1-2% of new cars are manual transmission here. A lot of the enthusiast market complains that everything is an automatic these days, even high end sports cars.

I like manual transmissions but I think DCTs are an improvement for the average car. They seem to have a lot less "hunting" than the typical torque-converter automatic and good precision for the driving conditions. It is easy to put them into a manual-select mode. And, of course, they don't seem to stall.

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Post by CGMthrowaway »

rcMgD2BwE72F wrote: post #350
CGMthrowaway wrote: post #265

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Isn't it a lot easier just to sell people hybrids instead?

No. It's really easy to install charging points on office parking space and supermarket. You don't need to plug at home when half of the day the car is parked at places with chargers.

Comments like this are bubble coded. Plenty of people don't park at an office, don't park at a supermarket, certainly not for half the day

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Post by wiseowise »

melenaboija wrote: post #166
bnchrch wrote: post #2

While the headline is interesting. I think the table at the end of the article is more so. - Worldwide sales -10% YoY - China sales -26% YoY And when you cross compare Porsche saying they sold more EV powertrains than their gas equivalents against China's new found foothold as the market leader in consumer electric cars (BYD, NIO, Xiaomi, etc...) Then I think you see an early indication not just of electric car domin…

> Then I think you see an early indication not just of electric car dominance, but of the (very potential) rise of China as the premier automotive super power. It’s done man. Americans are stuck in ICE engines because they’ve been told they’re “car enthusiasts” while the Chinese have been developing EV technology for years. Meanwhile, European makers are stuck not knowing what to do, make Americans happy or compete w…

I'm a "car enthusiast" and even I understand that holding onto ICE is like holding onto horses because cowboys look cool. It is a distilled macho culture like those old Marlboro ads.

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Post by amunozo »

mlrtime wrote: post #448
flurdy wrote: post #440

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Comparing renting a new type of car when you have to figure everything out for 2 days then return it, to owning a car, where you also have to figure everything out, but only for the first days, not the 600 days afterwards, is not really comparable. Also, when you own a car you charge it at home and work, so you don't really wait for the car to charge very often. And the next time you rent a car, it will be a bit simp…

It is 100% compatible when your basis is just finding a local gas station to fill up. 600 days later, you may know where a charging station is, but not any more convenient... yet.

You don't need a charging station for 99 per cent of your rides. You can charge daily at home and forget about recharging except when making a long trip.

If you usually make trips that are over the battery life, that's a different thing though. But most people don't have that problem.

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Post by neogodless »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #64
rr808 wrote: post #53

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Japanese and Chinese are very different buckets. What is the long term reliability of Chinese cars? Nobody knows.

I wouldn't be too concerned. Hyundai used to be synonymous with "garbage".

https://www.dashboard-light.com/reports/Hyundai.html

For what it's worth, this puts Hyundai around "industry average", above Acura, Audi, BMW, Subaru, Mazda, Nissan.

Below Chevrolet, Honda, Porsche, Toyota.

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Post by 11mariom »

thinkingemote wrote: post #368

Electric cars are required by law to emit sound via a speaker for safety. Usually the sound is unique and somewhat electronic in nature. Some electric sports cars, and I'm not sure but Porsche may be one of them, have a loud deep bassy faux-sports engine sound emitting from the speaker. "VROOOOM VROOOOOM VROOOM!" - on an electric car. Does anyone else find this *extremely* weird? It's like a petrol car having a speak…

> Electric cars are required by law to emit sound via a speaker for safety. Usually the sound is unique and somewhat electronic in nature.

And this is absolutely… bad. I mean requiring is good, but almost all of the execution of it is awfully bad.

It can be personal - but Hz of that sounds just makes me boil inside. That's how badly I'm receiving it. Almost no other sounds I hear on daily basis makes me uncomfortable.

And another issue - when somebody is parking the sound goes on, off, on, off, and that all the time until person is happy how car is parked. Couldn't it just make that sound all the time? Would be easier to get used to it. Same way it works with PC fans - there is no benefit to keep it as lowest as possible at all times, the trick is to keep it spinning fast enough to avoid as many changes of speed as possible - keeping the noise constant and easier to live with.

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