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American importers and consumers bear the cost of 2025 tariffs: analysis

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Post by greggoB »

PurpleRamen wrote: post #398
lovlar wrote: post #323

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One of the main reasons we end up with populist leaders who make decisions not in the interest of their population, but in service of their own pursuit of power, is social media and the attention economy. If people stopped spending hours each day scrolling through Instagram, TikTok, and Facebook feeds, media incentives would change. Journalism would become more thorough and responsible, rather than optimized for outr…

> One of the main reasons we end up with populist leaders who make decisions not in the interest of their population, but in service of their own pursuit of power, is social media and the attention economy. We had the same problems before social media. It's not the cause, just a symptom. > If people stopped spending hours each day scrolling through Instagram, TikTok, and Facebook feeds, media incentives would change.…

> We had the same problems before social media. It's not the cause, just a symptom.

It may not be the cause, but I think it's also not quite just a symptom. To me it looks like social media has taken an existing problem and made it worse, for all the reasons the parent comment describes, and then some.

> And Social Media is also useful for those who seek education. It's really more about motivation and presentation than the medium itself.

Also true, but I'm not sure this is prevalent or impactful enough for it to avoid being a net-negative. Also don't forget about the motivation & presentation of the platforms - they also have some outcomes they can optimize for, and I think there's a strong case to be made that they're optimizing for attention theft.

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Post by wasabi991011 »

CGMthrowaway wrote: post #397
wasabi991011 wrote: post #294

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> There are many natural economic reasons for GDP-per-capita to vary between jurisdictions (e.g. places rich in oil and gas tend to have high GDP-per-capita figures). However, it is increasingly being recognized that tax havens, or corporate tax havens, have distorted economic data which produces artificially high, or inflated, GDP-per-capita figures. > ... > In 2017, Ireland's economic data became so distorted by U.…

What are you saying then, that you wouldn't want to live in Monaco (assuming you had median Monaco income)? That you think large oil & gas resources is good (Venezuela)? I'm struggling to figure out which side you're on

I'm on the side of "looking at top 10 GDP per capita PPP countries is not good evidence for what type of government is better for a country's economy, at least not without far more analysis"

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Post by CalChris »

lovlar wrote: post #323
bartread wrote: post #56

I'm glad they've done the work here and put a figure on it - the impact absolutely needed to be quantified - but I also have to say... to the surprise of absolutely no-one with even the most basic grasp of how economies function. People, lots of people, lots of people who have a really deep understanding of national and global economics (unlike me), have been warning about this since talk of tariffs became common cur…

One of the main reasons we end up with populist leaders who make decisions not in the interest of their population, but in service of their own pursuit of power, is social media and the attention economy. If people stopped spending hours each day scrolling through Instagram, TikTok, and Facebook feeds, media incentives would change. Journalism would become more thorough and responsible, rather than optimized for outr…

You are writing that comment on a social media platform.

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Post by NetMageSCW »

brightball wrote: post #389
BanAntiVaxxers wrote: post #209

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You know what’s interesting though is I think that a Republican woman would be unbeatable. Many Democrats would be salivating at the historical opportunity.

Haley would have been that person.

That would have required the Republican Party to not have been infested and eaten out from the inside by the Trump party.

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Post by drstewart »

fnands wrote: post #165
drstewart wrote: post #88

Has this institute done an analysis of the VAT own goal by Germany? What percentage is paid by EU Germans?

Also, you mean the VAT that was introduced into (West) Germany in *checks-notes* 1968? I'm pretty sure someone has done an analysis on VAT since it was introduced 58 years ago... It's a really destabilising policy as you can see.

Tariffs were invented in 2025?

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Post by groundzeros2015 »

overfeed wrote: post #440
groundzeros2015 wrote: post #153

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“people who disagree with me must do it because they are stupid and/or manipulated” It’s true on its surface - most people don’t know about economics, across all political spectrums, and so rely on leaders (which I thought is what liberalism advocates for?). It’s not a helpful model if you want to understand what’s going on. So then the interesting parts to explore are the reasons they want to believe it, and the rea…

> if you want to understand what’s going on Funny how the in-depth analysis of motivations is strictly in one direction, ratcheting the Overton window forever rightward. On one hand we had mountains of articles about "economic anxiety" & "The MAGA next door" in 2016. On the flip side is "Fuck your feelings" and never a "humanizing, fish out of water" longform article about the life of a Democratic Socialist in a smal…

I disagree with your perceptions about media bias.

I’m not telling you it’s a moral obligation to understand. It’s in your interest.

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Post by UncleMeat »

lovlar wrote: post #377
throwaway_aiai wrote: post #360

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Why did you feel the need to use an LLM to compose this comment?

English is not my native language, and I wanted to clean up the grammar.

I would personally vastly rather read your thoughts in less-than-stellar grammar than AI output.

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Post by estebank »

tzot wrote: post #493
wjfuu32984 wrote: post #445

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Most honest users of the em-dash use it in pairs. I have never — not once — seen an LLM use it in pairs.

I always have been using em-dashes with specific spacing: 1. replacing parentheses —given that the em-dash in pairs for me mark more-relevant-to-the-main content than a parenthesized expression would— so I use the same spacing as `()` 2. replacing colon or just finishing the sentence with a subsentence— so the spacing goes like for a colon. Probably unfounded grammatically and against any style guides, but this spaci…

I am pretty sure an em-dash in case 2 should not have spaces in either side.

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Post by benj111 »

watwut wrote: post #439
benj111 wrote: post #344

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I'm not drawing parallels to the holocaust per se. I don't think anyone in Germany voted for the mustachioed one expecting that. They had various grievances and wanted a 'strong' leader. The voting against democracy is the issue, not the thing that was voted for. The holocaust is just a very good example of why you shouldn't throw your principles out to vote for a 'strong' leader who will improve 'your' life.

Back then, yes, many voted for holocaust. It did not had a name yet, but they wanted exactly that. They also voted for military conquest, they celebrated start of the war. Including or even especially so young men seeking to prove their masculinity. They were not voting to just bring better conditions for themselves. They voted to bring glory and violent victories. They believed themselves to be strong dominant men w…

The 'final solution' hadn't been decided on, so no I don't think any Germans voted for that, were the Jews openly being vilified? Yes, but that's like equating ICE rounding up illegals, and Trump sending your neighbour to a death camp, because the imagined 'other' doesn't include your neighbour who technically is an other, but one of the good ones so will be fine.

For the rest, you're forgetting how humans work. Do you think the average MAGA voting is voting to destroy someone else? Or do you think they're voting to improve their lot? Voting for expansionism doesn't necessarily mean voting for world war. I'm British, it's very easy to compartmentalise invading a country, from developing a country, civilising, being a net good, etc, etc. What did the average USian think Afghanistan was going to be? Or Iraq? Do the USians who want Greenland imagine that's going to turn into WW3? Nuclear war?

The enemy are very rarely mustache twiddling baddies.

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