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Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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Re: Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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Post by rpiguy »

yoyohello13 wrote: post #467
rpiguy wrote: post #457

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Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes, but they were morons No, not without an amendment allowing a third term, but even if there were an amendment probably still a No because he is too old and his very blunt and impolitic manner is not sustainable long-term in national leadership. According to the WSJ, thr President has lost about 8% of his voters, so he should make some adjustments. WSJ POLL: 92% of people who voted for Trump in 202…

Thanks for being honest. It is truly beyond my comprehension how someone can believe this. I don’t see how right and left can get along peacefully going forward when there is such a fundamental difference of core beliefs.

Democracy is incredibly hard.

If you start believing you can’t get along then society just turns into a rush to slam the Overton window shut on your opposition. Don’t give up hope.

Re: Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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Post by zarmsdos »

dyauspitr wrote: post #444
zarmsdos wrote: post #426

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That sounds extreme. Do you mean extermination as in mass murder? Or do you just mean he rejects the underlying ideology and would like to see policy that does the same?

Lined up against the wall

That's crazy, even the right-wingers aren't usually that heinous in their views.

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Post by kcplate »

hypeatei wrote: post #496
kcplate wrote: post #488

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You pretending that this is merely federal agents enforcing immigration laws is delusion. Thousands of agents being sent to one city and hundreds more promised after backlash is not immigration enforcement, it's punishment for dissent. > If you don’t want the door to door enforcement, have your local officials become cooperative in enforcing the immigration laws Since when did States need to "cooperate" with federal…

If you don’t like a law, change it. If your representatives are not representing you, elect new representatives who will.

If you don’t want immigration enforcement, don’t elect someone who ran on that platform.

And, no…I do not believe that our enforcing immigration laws that were passed in a bi-partisan and supported as is by presidents from both parties and enforced by presidents from both parties are in any way, shape, or form equivalent of what China has done specifically to the Uyghurs.

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Post by yongjik »

ben_w wrote: post #437
fatbird wrote: post #417

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Trump's passing and his admin getting tossed won't erase the memory that a good third of America was always happy with him and wanted what he actually did. America is now branded with MAGA in a way that will take generations to fade.

At this point, I'd say terms rather than generations. I mean, I'm old enough to remember people saying "Never Forget" about 9/11, but it's barely in any discourse at this point, and that was a single generation ago and had two major wars a bunch of PoW scandals, war crime scandals that led to Manning, and domestic surveillance that led to Snowden. And yet, despite all that, I've only heard 9/11 mentioned exactly once…

It's different. 9/11 was an outside foe, which was dismantled by US forces, and its leader was executed. America "won" against the perpetrators of 9/11 in the conventional sense.

You cannot defeat MAGA the same way: the "enemies" are among us, and they aren't going anywhere.

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Post by rpiguy »

gambiting wrote: post #458
rpiguy wrote: post #415

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Of course it was in our interests to do so. No empire acts otherwise. We do not own the world, but we do own the worlds reserve currency, largest economy, are the guarantors of safe naval passage for most of the world, are the defenders of North America, Europe, and to a lesser extent Japan and South Korea. We send re-usable rockets to space. We are amazing. Does any of this give us a direct claim to Greenland? No, b…

>>No, but what claim did Denmark have over the native people when they invaded? If you really are American then I hope the irony of this question is not lost on you. I guess talking to you is kinda like talking to a citizen of Germany circa 1939 who is saying that of course Poland should be taken, they have the best location in Europe with all trade between east and west going throught it, lots of natural resources,…

The earths’ resources are finite and we are in a competition for them. Technology and AI make the race for energy even more intense.

If your country was as large as the US or China it too would likely be a “bully.”

France is still a bully in Africa when it wants to be.

I also bought into all our cultural exports as a child and believed we were going to war for freedom and Democracy. As I get older I see the truth. It was all geopolitics.

Freedom and Democracy were just icing on the cake if we managed to preserve it wherever we were sending our kids to die.

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Post by [deleted] »

DoctorOetker wrote: post #355
EastLondonCoder wrote: post #252

This isn’t really about Greenland’s strategic value; it’s about the category error. You can trade goods, sign treaties, and negotiate basing rights. You can’t “buy” a people or their sovereignty especially when they don’t consent. That’s why Europe responds with process and principle: normalize coercion-as-bargaining among allies and you’re reviving a pre-1945 model of politics Europe built institutions to prevent. I…

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Post by esseph »

coffeebeqn wrote: post #387
adventured wrote: post #281

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Up it to $5 million per Greenlander then. The US can afford to pull the trigger on a $250-$280 billion acquisition. The EU can't afford to counter it. To put that sum into perspective for the US economy: that's merely 2.x years of operating income for Google. There's no scenario where the people of Greenland reject that $250b offer in a free vote.

Where is that money coming from? The defense budget is 800B - this is a major budget item just throwing money in the trash along with most of your alliances

Dear Leader already asked for something like 1.6 trillion for the military budget, but that probably doesn't even cover this.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-defense-spending-3bbea1ccc6...

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Post by anal_reactor »

EastLondonCoder wrote: post #252

This isn’t really about Greenland’s strategic value; it’s about the category error. You can trade goods, sign treaties, and negotiate basing rights. You can’t “buy” a people or their sovereignty especially when they don’t consent. That’s why Europe responds with process and principle: normalize coercion-as-bargaining among allies and you’re reviving a pre-1945 model of politics Europe built institutions to prevent. I…

What you're describing is a Q2 problem. This meeting is about Q1 goals. Please stay on the topic.
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