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CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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Re: CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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I would have if there were potential conflicts.

I personally find this information quite relevant to get the full picture and I'm glad someone else provided it.

The full picture of what exactly? How that fact is even relevant to this post? Do you expect anyone affiliated with AI to mention that every time they talk about AI? That's just ridiculous.

Re: CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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Even if you understand what you are doing, you are still exposed to every single security bug in all of the services you host. Most of these self hosted tools have not been through 1% of the security testing big tech services have.

For every remote exploit and cloud-wide outage that has happened over the past 20 years my sshd that is exposed to the internet on port 22 has had zero of either. There were a couple of major OpenSSH bugs but my auto updater took care of that before I saw it on the news. You can trust BugCorp all you want but there are more sshd processes out there than tailnets and the scrutiny is on OpenSSH. We are not comparing ss…

If you only expose SSH then you're fine, but if you're deploying a bunch of WebApps you might not want them accessible on the internet.

The few things I self host I keep out in the open. etcd, Kubernetes, Postgres, pgAdmin, Grafana and Keycloak but I can see why someone would want to hide inside a private network.

Re: CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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I went down the self host route some years ago but once critical problems hit I realized that beyond a simple NAS it can be a very demanding hobby. I was in another country when there was a power outage at home. My internet went down, the server restart but couldn't reconnect anymore because the optical network router also had some problems after the power outage. I could ask my folks to restart, and turn on off thin…

I thought I was smart because I invested in UPS backup from the start. Then 5 years later there was a power outage and the UPS lasted for about 10 seconds before the batteries failed. That's how I learned about UPS battery maintenance schedules and the importance of testing. I have a calendar alert to test the UPS. I groan whenever it comes up because I know there's a chance I'm going to discover the batteries won't…

Check out some non-lead acid battery solutions like: https://www.ecoflow.com/us/blog/use-portable-power-station-a...

Another maker is Goldenmate (less I be accused of being an ad)

Re: CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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Well, it's an EV with a big inverter, not a generator, but I get your point. And I do periodically fire it up and run the house on it for a little while, just to exercise the connection and maintain my familiarity with it in case I need to use it late at night in the dark with an ice storm breaking all the trees around us.

Oh, I see! Genuinely curious -- what kind of EV has a battery to power a house for a week? > maintain my familiarity with it in case I need to use it late at night in the dark with an ice storm breaking all the trees around us. That's the way to do it. I usually did my trial runs during the day with light readily available but underestimated how much I needed to see what I am doing. Now there's a grounding plug and a…

> what kind of EV has a battery to power a house for a week?

Assuming their heating, cooking and hot water is gas, a house doesn't actually consume that much. With a 50kWh battery you can draw just under 300W continuously for a week. I'd expect the average house to draw ~200W with lighting and a few electronics, with a lean towards the evenings for the lighting.

Re: CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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I find LLMs remove all the fun for me. When I build my homelab, I want the satisfaction of knowing that I did it. And the learning gains that only come from doing it manually. I don't mind using an LLM to shortcut areas that are just pure pain with no reward, but I abstain from using it as much as possible. It gives you the illusion that you've accomplished something.

> It gives you the illusion that you've accomplished something. What’s the goal? If the act of _building_ a homelab is the fun then i agree 100%. If _having_ a reliable homelab that the family can enjoy is the goal, then this doesn’t matter. For me personally, my focus is on “shipping” something reliable with little fuss. Most of my homelab skills don’t translate to my day job anyway. My homelab has a few docker comp…

If your sole goal is to have a homelab that self-hosts services, I completely agree. I'm speaking for those who are interested in developing their skills and knowledge, and believe that building something with AI somehow does that.

I'll agree to disagree on it not being applicable. Having fundamental knowledge on topics like networking thru homelabbing have helped me develop my understanding from the ground up. It helps in ways that are not always obvious. But if your goal is purely to be better at your job at work, it is not the most efficient path.

Re: CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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I find LLMs remove all the fun for me. When I build my homelab, I want the satisfaction of knowing that I did it. And the learning gains that only come from doing it manually. I don't mind using an LLM to shortcut areas that are just pure pain with no reward, but I abstain from using it as much as possible. It gives you the illusion that you've accomplished something.

Getting it up and running is fun but I find maintaining some services a pain. For example, Authelia has breaking configuration changes every minor release, and fixing that easily takes 1-X hours every time. I gave up for 4.38 and just tossed the patch notes into NotebookLM.

Definitely. That's a great use case. How do you use NotebookLM? First I'm hearing about it

Re: CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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I find LLMs remove all the fun for me. When I build my homelab, I want the satisfaction of knowing that I did it. And the learning gains that only come from doing it manually. I don't mind using an LLM to shortcut areas that are just pure pain with no reward, but I abstain from using it as much as possible. It gives you the illusion that you've accomplished something.

The thing about anything that actually gets used, is what removes the fun the quickest is when it breaks and people who actually want to use it start complaining. In that case, it's not about the 'joy of creation', but actually getting everything up and running again, in which case LLMs are indispensable.

I don't disagree. All depends on what you're looking to get out of it.

Re: CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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I find LLMs remove all the fun for me. When I build my homelab, I want the satisfaction of knowing that I did it. And the learning gains that only come from doing it manually. I don't mind using an LLM to shortcut areas that are just pure pain with no reward, but I abstain from using it as much as possible. It gives you the illusion that you've accomplished something.

>I don't mind using an LLM to shortcut areas that are just pure pain with no reward... Enlightenment here comes when you realize others are doing the exact same thing with the exact same justification, and everyone's pain/reward threshold is different. The argument you are making justifies their usage as well as yours.

That may be true. Ultimately, what I'd advise is for people to be cognizant of their goals and whether AI does or does not help to achieve them.

Re: CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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How many random people do you have hitting port 22 on a given day?

change port.

I've tried using a nonstandard port but I still see a bunch of IPs getting banned, with the added downside of if I'm on the go sometimes I don't remember the port

Re: CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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I think it's great that people are getting into self-hosting, but I don't think it's _the_ solution to get us off of big tech. Having others run a service for you is a good thing! I'd love to pay a subscription for a service, but ran as a cooperative, where I'm not actually just paying a subscription fee, instead I'm a member and I get to decide what gets done as well. This model works so well for housing, where the…

What about self-hosting as a service? You get a server in your home which you own with your open source software and data in it. And you pay a subscription to have a remote sysadmin take care of maintenance for you and can train you on the software? What happens if you don’t pay anymore is you keep everything. But like a good insurance, you’d keep the subscription because of top notch customer service.

I want something that can work for non-techies too, that I can recommend to my friends as well.
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