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Over 40% of deceased drivers in vehicle crashes test positive for THC: Study

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Post by Ancapistani »

jeremyjh wrote: post #249
Ancapistani wrote: post #233

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There’s no reliable way to determine impairment from a blood test. At most, this says that ~42% of people used it recently and/or frequently enough for metabolites to be present. https://forensicresources.org/2021/marijuana-impairment-faq/

Sure, but if the baseline level of annual usage is only 20% in the general population then you still have a significant correlation.

Correlation, and about a billion compounding factors.

For example: younger people are more likely to be regular cannabis users - and are also more likely than the general public to get in motor vehicle accidents.

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Post by olyjohn »

faidit wrote: post #446
Zak wrote: post #394

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Seat belt warnings became mandatory in the USA in 1972[0]. From the mid 1970s until fairly recently, the warning tone would stop after a few seconds. [0] https://www.nationalacademies.org/read/10832/chapter/5

I've known people who would just endure the warning noise until it stopped.

Many of them are just a light, and that's it. Or maybe the buzzer was burnt out lol.

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Post by wooger »

tokai wrote: post #13

An issue with having the legal limit at ~2-5ng/ml is that it makes habitual users be over the limit if they have smoked recently or not.[0] Making the prohibition seem unserious to some, not about safety but about punitive control, and in turn making it matter less if you smoke and drive as you are taking the risk of getting into trouble in any case. The impairments of driving under the influence of alcohol have been…

Yes, you cannot drive if you smoke cannabis at all. Seems fine, now just get them off the road.

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Post by wooger »

nobody9999 wrote: post #480
Scoundreller wrote: post #279

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That's evidence of increased public/open-air consumption, which is to be expected with legalization Don't need to hide it anymore, especially if the local police don't have much to do otherwise

>That's evidence of increased public/open-air consumption, which is to be expected with legalization >Don't need to hide it anymore, especially if the local police don't have much to do otherwise Yep. At least in New York City before legalization, using cannabis in public earned you an arrest and a night in jail despite the fact that it wasn't even a misdemeanor, just a local code violation with a $50 fine. That was…

So now children are exposed to psychoactive drug fumes in our parks, with no way to avoid them. Ideal, such progress.

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Post by wooger »

golem14 wrote: post #417
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #406

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In my experience, weed smells like a skunk. Which makes it really annoying to be around people who smoke, that stuff is really unpleasant to have to smell. Honestly I don't know how people can stand to smoke it with how bad it smells.

Am I the only one that doesn't find skunk smell not so horrid as it's generally made out to be? It's very strong, yes, but between skunk and asa foetida, it would be hard to choose ;)

Any strong smell is unpleasant, especially when it's unavoidable, from perfume to petrol fumes, even along to food smells.

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Post by wooger »

graeme wrote: post #244
bookofjoe wrote: post #227

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DEAD people

If the population of dead drivers with over the limit THC is 40%, and this dramatically exceeds the population average, that would strongly suggest the THC level IS an indicator of either: 1. Impairment from THC, or 2. Worse than average driving and risk management skills in those who use the drug

I would say that anyone who smokes anything (cigarettes, vapes, cannabis, crack) is indicating that they're at best not health conscious and are acting in a nihilistic way. It seems entirely logical that their risk-tolerance and judgement will be accordingly different to the general population whether they're high or not.

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Post by immibis »

randerson wrote: post #495
immibis wrote: post #491

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The crime under discussion is not driving while intoxicated but driving without a license. But if you're going to bring that up anyway, how are people supposed to get their car home from the bar in a place where the government hates public transport?

> The crime under discussion is not driving while intoxicated but driving without a license. How did these people lose their license in the first place? The most common reason is DUIs. Followed by multiple instances of reckless driving. People are less likely to lose their license to begin with if they know there will be real consequences. And there's a large enough population for whom driving without a license is no…

So, you're still refusing to discuss driving without a license, like the rest of us are talking about

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Post by belorn »

cogman10 wrote: post #455
belorn wrote: post #451

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What the aviation study show is that the impair can continue for a very long time after a single small use. A blood test might be a terrible indicator how how much the impairment is, but the question then is how much tolerance you need in order to have zero impairment under some levels of THC. It also but a bit of doubt that even after 24hrs the impairment can be noticed, long past where the user subjectively feel an…

The question then becomes "what level of impairment is tolerable". Driving doesn't require perfect cognition, just good enough. If we went for perfect then anyone over 65 would be banned from operating a car. And I think that's the hard thing with THC. Yes you may be impaired 24 hours later, but how impaired and how does that compare to age related impairment.

I could see that. In Sweden there were recently a buss accident where a health issue with the driver caused them to black out, killing several people and injuring even more. We put a lot of trust in commercial drivers that are responsible for managing people and several tons of moving vehicle. Pilots employed by commercial airlines generally have an age limit at around 65-68.

What level of impairment is tolerable when the buss driver are driving on the highway at highway speeds?

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Post by rayiner »

boston_clone wrote: post #487
rayiner wrote: post #482

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You’re more likely to find tattoos and marijuana smokers at a Trump rally than in the congressional district where I grew up. It was solidly red when I was growing up, but today is the orderly and industrious wing of the democratic party (Biden +18).

An inspiring tale of progress and change for the better! May more southern states unfetter themselves from regressive views.

It’s entropy, not progress.
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