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Rivian Unveils Custom Silicon, R2 Lidar Roadmap, and Universal Hands Free

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Re: Rivian Unveils Custom Silicon, R2 Lidar Roadmap, and Universal Hands Free

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Post by bdamm »

echelon wrote: post #350
deaux wrote: post #324

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> I'm all for it. You'll survive the tire pollution. Will you enthusiastically support the taxes on you needed to entirely offset this negative externality?

Rubber ppm over some threshold safety level is a negative externality worth maybe a few billion in remediation, healthcare costs, etc. (As a society, we're still not convinced pulmonary health as impacted by particulate inhalation is important - which is a mistake. It absolutely is a big deal and negative externality driving a whole host of bad health outcomes.) Malinvestment into public transit in a way that serves…

Can we solve the poisoning of fish while we're at it?

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Post by testing22321 »

llbeansandrice wrote: post #388
testing22321 wrote: post #259

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I agree with you broadly in principle, but sadly cities in North America have been built for cars, and so they are by far the best way to get around

I actually see this as a benefit! Cars take up a lot of space and so now there exists massive right of ways that can be used and modified for other transit modes. Take a lane away from personal cars and dedicate it to buses so they can run faster and avoid traffic. Remove some street parking spots and create a protected bike lane or a street market or something else. The extra space can be a huge boon. It’s pavement,…

Agree. But nobody is going to walk or ride in Calgary or Dallas no matter how many lanes you take away.

Too much sprawl, too severe weather. There are hundreds of cities like that sadly.

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Post by observationist »

michaelt wrote: post #282
harikb wrote: post #206

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History suggests it won't be that clean. 1. High-severity accidents might drop, but the industry bleeds money on high-frequency, low-speed incidents (parking lots, neighborhood scrapes). Autonomy has diminishing returns here; it doesn't magically prevent the chaos of mixed-use environments. 2. Insurance is a capital management game. We’ll likely see a tech company try this, fail to cover a catastrophic liability due…

> Insurance is a capital management game. We’ll likely see a tech company try this, fail to cover a catastrophic liability due to lack of reserves, and trigger a massive backlash. Google, AFAIK the only company with cars that are actually autonomous, has US$98 Billion in cash. It'd have to be a hell of an accident to put a dent in that.

If it's cheaper for them to pay lawyers a few tens or hundreds of millions to bury any such case in court, in settlements, or putting the agitator through any of the myriad forms of living hell they can legally get away with, then they'll go that route.

You'd need an immensely rich or influential opponent to decide they wanted to march through hell in order to hold Google's feet to the fire. It'd have to be something deeply personal and they probably have things structured to limit any potential liability to a couple hundred million. They'll never be held to account for anything that goes seriously wrong.

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Post by thetwentyone »

iambateman wrote: post #278

it seems like car-makers themselves feel burdened to make their own self-driving tech, as opposed to outsourcing the software to a third party. Dell and HP don’t make operating systems…it seems like having a handful of companies focused on getting the self-driving part right without the need to also specialize in manufacturing would be beneficial. My first inclination was to be bullish on Rivian, and there’s no quest…

One aspect is that Tesla is all cameras, whereas Rivian sees it as important to have multi-sensor suites (cameras, ultrasonic, radar, and in Gen 3: lidar). TBH as a customer I prefer to know that the latter is protecting me instead of just cameras.

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Post by nradov »

eldaisfish wrote: post #481
robocat wrote: post #404

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> If your car isn't packed to capacity on every single trip, it is less efficient and worse than public transit. Cost is a great proxy for costs versus benefits. People choose cars because they are efficient for them. In theory public transit is efficient. In practice, only if you live in a very high density area, or you value your time at $0.

cars are barely efficient in terms of time. In cost terms, cars are incredibly expensive once you add in infrastructure costs, insurance, fuel, the cost of land use, etc. Public transit is efficient even outside areas of high density - see suburban Europe or India. Why are so many people here utterly car-brained?

Have you ever actually been to Europe? Public transit is pretty good in first-tier cities like Vienna / Stockholm / London where tourists spend most of their time. But out in the smaller cities and rural areas where regular people live there's very little public transit except for slow and inconvenient buses. So everyone drives. Or if they're too poor to afford a car then they just don't go anywhere.

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Post by cryptoegorophy »

amluto wrote: post #263
WaxProlix wrote: post #38

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This sounds nothing like my experience, you should get that vehicle serviced.

Service can’t do anything about the state machine being wrong. The Rivian app does not permit you to send a command to the car while the app thinks the car is processing a command. Trunk opening? You can’t unlock the door. On top of this, if you try to open the trunk while outside Bluetooth range and then Bluetooth connects, you are still stuck waiting for the pending command to complete. Oh, and the ridiculous “hey…

Why can’t they just copy Tesla? Chinese manufacturers do just that and skip the hard steps

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Post by cryptoegorophy »

ShakataGaNai wrote: post #142
asadm wrote: post #32

I hear many Rivian customers really love Comma.ai, so much that they are #1 on Comma dash.

Probably a lot of overlap in the venn diagram of people who would like the two things. Mostly the "Early Adopter" circle. Also a lot of cars have a lot of limitations with comma.ai. Yes, you can install it on all sorts but there are limitations like: above 32mph, cannot resume from stop, cannot take tight corners, cannot do stop light detection, requires additional car upgrades/features, only known to support model y…

I’ve seen videos of massive touch screen stuttering, is it still a thing on rivian?

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Post by cryptoegorophy »

uberman wrote: post #153

Why do people what self driving cars at all? I certainly hate the thought of having to pay for any of this. Even if the end product is subscription based, all these feature cost money up front making new cars super expensive.

Because you haven’t tried it. I want to buy Cadilac ev but the biggest downside is the lack of FSD. Once you go FSD you never go back.

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Post by cryptoegorophy »

rootusrootus wrote: post #248
llbeansandrice wrote: post #220

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The replies to this comment are very telling. Everyone is highlighting various desires and issues with cars: - Cars are dangerous to people not in cars - Cars require your undivided attention (and even that isn't fool-proof) - Cars are inaccessible: age, eyesight, control operation, etc. - There's a lot of traffic (iow there's a lot of cars) What people are expressing a desire for is more robust public transit and tr…

> What people are expressing a desire for is more robust public transit and transportation facilities that protect everyone: peds, drivers, cyclists, etc. I'm going to take a guess here that you're in a bubble. Most people don't give more than a passing thought to protecting anybody else on the road but themselves and their own loved ones. You could say enlightened self interest means this should extend to random str…

People that want more public transit probably never did public transit. It took me a few horrible interactions on a public transit and some disgusting experience in car share to never support anything “communist”. Specially when you get kids.
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