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Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

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Post by simonmales »

dijit wrote: post #421
GCUMstlyHarmls wrote: post #419

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Is there a reason to use this over LibreOffice? I had until this year a pretty old machine (~11-12 years old at time of replacement, upper midrange at time of purchase) and I never felt like it was slow -- possibly because everything was slow on that machine though and I was stuck in a forest...

LibreOffice definitely feels sluggish. I give it a pass because it's doing complicated things, it's free software and I also temper my expectations slightly because it's a Java GUI application (and I expect those to be slow). I would certainly not expect it to be more performant than Office '97.

I can't find references now, but Gnome or Ubuntu had a phase where they were booting the desktop with under 128MB of RAM.

It would be great if LibreOffice had a spurt of speed-ups. Kind what the browser wars also competed fiercely about.

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Post by crazygringo »

wvenable wrote: post #243
amanzi wrote: post #240

Here in NZ, pretty much all medium/large businesses and govt departments have gone all-in with M365. Most govt departments are on the E5 licence, and have also started to roll out the Copilot licences too. The cost and complexity and the effort required to switch away from M365 is massive. It's not just using a different version of Excel and Word - that's the least of the issues. It's all the data stored in SharePoin…

> The cost and complexity and the effort required to switch away from M365 is massive. I'd say further to that is there literally isn't a similar product that exists to switch to. Nobody has developed a real alternative. It seems like most companies are more than willing to leave this entire market to Microsoft.

Google Workspace is the similar product. It does basically all the same stuff. Tons of companies use it instead.

It's just extremely complicated to transition between the two. So Google is more popular with newer companies, since it's a bit more seamless being cloud-native, whereas Microsoft has inertia with companies that have been around longer.

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

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Post by crazygringo »

chaostheory wrote: post #365
wvenable wrote: post #243

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> The cost and complexity and the effort required to switch away from M365 is massive. I'd say further to that is there literally isn't a similar product that exists to switch to. Nobody has developed a real alternative. It seems like most companies are more than willing to leave this entire market to Microsoft.

Zoho Office isn’t bad. It looks like a lot of the project planning SAAS are trying to take the crown too. It’s just strange that Google seemingly gave up.

How did Google give up?

Google Workspace is extremely popular with new features coming out constantly, used by tons of corporations.

Is it just not on your radar or something?

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

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Post by its_notjack »

reciprocity wrote: post #497
71bw wrote: post #412

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Issue is, the WPS office suite is more bloated with ads than even Microsoft's offerings are, and, overall, is quite a doozy to navigate. If you want a true and good alternative, I'd recommend ONLYOFFICE[1]. [1] https://www.onlyoffice.com/

OpenOffice is no longer actively developed. It was replaced by LibreOffice quite awhile ago.

The comment links to OnlyOffice, which is a different app suite from OpenOffice.

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

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Post by crazygringo »

b3lvedere wrote: post #454
amanzi wrote: post #240

Here in NZ, pretty much all medium/large businesses and govt departments have gone all-in with M365. Most govt departments are on the E5 licence, and have also started to roll out the Copilot licences too. The cost and complexity and the effort required to switch away from M365 is massive. It's not just using a different version of Excel and Word - that's the least of the issues. It's all the data stored in SharePoin…

"it makes financial sense to go all-in and use as much as possible." .. until it doesn't. There is a very good reason why switching away from M365 is almost impossible. There is a very good reason why Microsoft offers free consultancy for a while if you just keep using M365. Microsoft has made the world dependent on them. They are one of the biggest corporations that use drug lord tactics to keep its users. The Europ…

> drug lord tactics to keep its users.

What on earth are you talking about?

Companies switch from MS to Google Workspace all the time. It's a huge logistical challenge, not because of anything Microsoft does, but just because they're different systems and migrating data and processes is inherently hard.

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

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Post by Sharlin »

MangoToupe wrote: post #344
lll-o-lll wrote: post #342

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One word. Cloud. Sharepoint, onedrive, teams. Everything is integrated and collaborating is trivial. You can’t replicate that with open source.

Ok, but surely google docs does that just as well or even better? I have never even heard of sharepoint and onedrive!

You’re obviously very far from the intended target audience.

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

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Post by crazygringo »

snuxoll wrote: post #346
crazygringo wrote: post #138

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Seriously. I don't understand why this is even news or posted here. If they were doubling prices or something then of course, raise the alarms. This is not that.

A 5% increase is still a sizable when you consider the number of licenses that even an SMB may have. I don't deal with our MS licensing directly at $DAYJOB, but we've got something like 1300+ employees most (all?) of whom have M365 E5 licenses, that adds up to (roughly) an extra $4K/mo or $48K/yr when it comes time to renew our annual licensing. Is it going to break the bank and send us into a financial death spiral?…

5% is 5%. If you have more employees, you also presumably have more revenue. That's why percentages rather than absolutes are the right metric. And keeping up with inflation isn't "jacking up pricing".

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Post by tonyhart7 »

opan wrote: post #498
tonyhart7 wrote: post #471

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I also didn't understand where sentiment of the same industry that promote SaaS for their niche tool comes from like this is YC sponsored site, there is a tons of SaaS for niche toolkit that people sold,shares etc and now all of sudden they hate it when other people doing the same thing they do

I'm not buying or selling a SaaS. I don't like them. HN has more than one user and they don't all agree.

Yeah but its your opinion, we talking about facts

not believe it???? just click past button and its shows top 50 of HN upvoted thread for yesterday and its shows multiple of SaaS product or SaaS clothed OpenSource in some form or another

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

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Post by giancarlostoro »

wvenable wrote: post #243
amanzi wrote: post #240

Here in NZ, pretty much all medium/large businesses and govt departments have gone all-in with M365. Most govt departments are on the E5 licence, and have also started to roll out the Copilot licences too. The cost and complexity and the effort required to switch away from M365 is massive. It's not just using a different version of Excel and Word - that's the least of the issues. It's all the data stored in SharePoin…

> The cost and complexity and the effort required to switch away from M365 is massive. I'd say further to that is there literally isn't a similar product that exists to switch to. Nobody has developed a real alternative. It seems like most companies are more than willing to leave this entire market to Microsoft.

An all in one? No, maybe Google Workspace. But for all those pieces you can get all that functionality from different vendors / open source projects.

I guess there's a strong opportunity for someone to build a Linux distro that bundles all of it for you in such a way you could use it OOTB for a company.

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