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Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by The_President »

Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #229
ChicagoDave wrote: post #127

Microsoft has gone full-blown evil corporation again. No customer validation on any of the AI cruft. No full OPT OUT. Office products are bastardized with copilot buttons everywhere. I've been a Windows user from day one and I now see a future without it. Satya had been a bright spot in Microsoft, but this blind lust for AI, especially in bed with Altman who is pure con artist, is unforgivable. Some of the investment…

> OpenAI enabled its users to have a sext conversation. Considering that this is only with verified adults, how is this "evil"? I find it more evil to treat full grown adult users as kids and heavily censor their use of LLMs. (Not to detract from the rest of your post, with which I agree).

Ok so for that matter let's pose this hypothetical... How would you feel if Disney or Nintendo produced adult content for verified adults?

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by kakacik »

wolvesechoes wrote: post #403
serf wrote: post #382

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yeah, and it's still one of things in Windows that is a pleasure to use when you need it.

If it comes down to FOSS/freeware stuff I am actually quite fond of Windows ecosystem. Foobar2k, Paint.NET, Notepad++, IrfanView, WizTree, Ditto, TotalCommander, NAPS2 etc. Linux has many options for any of those, but I always had a feeling that those options have less polish, or are less stable, or their UI is an afterthought etc. On Windows you have basically a single option for each application that most people go…

> Foobar2k, Notepad++, IrfanView, TotalCommander

Without those, especially last one my productivity at my corporate work would be half at most. Editing a file in an archive within another archive directly, doing quick file comparisons of 2 files, syncing different dirs, fulltext recursive search... all with much better UI than Unix console counterparts (which I use too). And much more.

Simply the best tools on the whole market for me in given category, period.

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by kenjackson »

Zardoz84 wrote: post #214
makeitdouble wrote: post #152

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Don't you get out of forced updates if you set yourself regural update point ? (e.g. every Sunday night) Most users, for better or worse, don't want any update ever, unless they wish for a specific feature. We're at a state where there's only once-in-10-years massive attacks exactly because of mandatory security updates that will be forced on the user if they have no intention to install it ever.

You can update without locking the computer. You know... like is done in Linux for a very long time. I have a nice memory of doing a full update of Kubuntu to the next version at the same time that I was playing a AAA game without issues or interruptions.

I hadn’t seen Linux do that. How do they fully do it without ever locking or rebooting the system?

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by Krssst »

realo wrote: post #315
malfist wrote: post #93

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Why does that matter? I should be allowed to explicitly chose the risks I want to take. Not microsoft. Especially not for microsoft to decide, no matter what I'm doing, or what I have open and unsaved on my computer, now is the time they think my risk is too great and tuesday has passed, so reboot reboot reboot.

Well... this is similar to COVID. As long as your computer is disconnected from any network, yes you should be able to do whatever you want and decide. But as soon as your computer can be a danger for others, then your risk taking decisions can harm others, and then what? Masks during covid were a matter of public health. Regular updates are also a similar matter.

Masks were necessary to save lives at a stage where risks were unknown and pressure on health systems was high.

Missing Windows updates does not kill anyone.

Plus, installing Windows updates may cause high frustration because "feature" updates are mixed with them and may alter the OS behavior in unexpected and undesired ways. If Microsoft cares so much about security, they should allow people to stay on fixed Windows stable versions that only get security updates without pestering them. Basically, sell LTSC to normal people.

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Post by kenjackson »

krackers wrote: post #63
the_snooze wrote: post #39

>For example, if you ask ChatGPT’s Agent to book a travel, it’ll open Chromium on Linux in an Azure container, search the query, visit different websites, navigate each page and book a flight ticket using your saved credentials. An AI Agent tries to mimic a human, and it can perform tasks on your behalf while you sit back and relax. Big tech has repeatedly shown that they are not good stewards of end users' privacy a…

I think it's hilariously tone deaf that travel booking and shopping are the two examples of "agentic" AI that keep popping up.

Travel booking is time consuming and frustrating. In doing it now and hate it. If some YC company wants to fix this I’d be hugely appreciative.

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Post by jamincan »

GrinningFool wrote: post #439
logicprog wrote: post #284

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Yeah the disapproval/disgust I'm seeing everywhere, from pretty much every side that I keep my eye on, about OpenAI enabling erotica generation with ChatGPT is so frustrating, because it seems like just Puritanism and censorship, and desiring to treat adults like children as you say.

The issues that these pseudo-relationships can cause have barely begun to be discussed, nevermind studied and understood. We know that they exist, and not only for people with known mental health issues. And that's all we know. But the industry will happily brush that aside in order to drive up those sweet MAU and MRR numbers. One of those, "I'm willing to sacrifice [a percentage of the population] for market share a…

People form parasocial relationships with AI already with content restrictions in place. It seems to me that that is a separate issue entirely.

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Post by Krssst »

01HNNWZ0MV43FF wrote: post #103
tbrownaw wrote: post #85

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> shown they don't respect the user when they force shutdown for system updates Are you familiar with the prior state of things that explicitly motivated this change?

Not really. Maybe I'm jinxing it, but I've never had a problem caused by failure to update my PC. Servers I understand because they're exposed to the Internet at all times. Not PCs

> Servers I understand because they're exposed to the Internet at all times. Not PCs

And, for reference, updates are not forcefully installed on Windows Server.

Well, forcefully restarting a server without asking its owner does sound like a bad idea. And disrespecting the users in that way when the competitor OS for servers is free, has significant market share and is known for letting the user to what they want and getting out of the way should probably also be avoided from a market perspective.

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by sdoering »

The_President wrote: post #501
Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #229

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> OpenAI enabled its users to have a sext conversation. Considering that this is only with verified adults, how is this "evil"? I find it more evil to treat full grown adult users as kids and heavily censor their use of LLMs. (Not to detract from the rest of your post, with which I agree).

Ok so for that matter let's pose this hypothetical... How would you feel if Disney or Nintendo produced adult content for verified adults?

Why should anyone feel anything offensive about that? Or why would anyone get offended over this? I really do not understand what the issue would be.
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