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Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by seec »

pwg wrote: post #414
seec wrote: post #232

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Apple has stopped caring and producing local/personal software for a while now. Which is absolutely brain dead because that was the primary reason to buy their hardware in the first place. Why spend the premium for a Mac if you are going to run some shitty cloud software anyway. For now the illusion is maintained because they are dominating with their chips, but that won't last forever and the competition is almost c…

It sounds like they are well on their way down the "Enshittification" [1] path. Eventually they will enshittify sufficiently that the illusion will shatter. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification

It looks like it but it's quite sad.

We need another commercial desktop OS to compete with Microsoft. The problem is Apple is shooting itself in the foot with their greed on hardware pricing.

This is the reasons many heavy/high-duty software never makes it to the Mac, it's just too expensive to outfit everyone with performant enough Mac computers. It's pretty sad because they don't even need the money, and clearly they have shown in the past 10 years that they are completely unable to do anything better with the surplus money. It's just self-defeating greed, they could eat a lot of Microsoft market share where it matters but instead they try to push an even more locked-down approach with the iPadOS.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by ratelimitsteve »

al_borland wrote: post #191
ratelimitsteve wrote: post #80

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the thing that you're missing here is that Cook is gonna get roasted if he doesn't take every opportunity to maximize growth. That means the future roadmap as written PLUS ads in maps and other decisions like that. There's no such thing as enough.

Not having ads was the thing that separated Apple from Google. Apple was winning by selling hardware with software that didn’t need ads to support the business model. Ads just feel greedy, especially when they are still charging a premium price on many things. How tolerant will people be of high prices when the resulting product feels cheap? This is a race to the bottom, which was a race Jobs was unwilling to compete…

it's not a race to the bottom, it's a zero sum game. someone is gonna lose money but everyone who currently has a stake thinks they can bail out before the crash (or if the people in charge try to abort the game and initiate a more sustainable but less immediately profitable model). Stockholders essentially hold a company hostage like that: maximize short term growth of my asset value right now or I tank the entire org, then when the bad decisions you made today come back to haunt you I dump stock, pull up stakes and haul ass right before the whole thing explodes. These people kill sheep for wool.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by ratelimitsteve »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #170
ratelimitsteve wrote: post #83

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as someone who bought the creativelabs mp3 player back in the day, the ipod was absolutely better and I was just being some combination of cheap and contrarian

I had a Zen Stone, which was made by... Creative! It was much, much better than an iPod. I had an iPod first. I gave it away, because it was too heavy to carry around. The Zen Stone was essentially weightless and could be operated without looking at it. The only problem I ever had with it was that it couldn't charge and play at the same time.

googling, I think I had the nomad zen extra first then the zen vision w the built-in divx player for watching videos (which I never did, and it was an expensive way to learn that I'm not gonna watch a movie on a handheld screen)

I loved them both very much, much more than I love any gadget I own now

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Post by pjmlp »

seec wrote: post #500
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In general their products weren't that great, hence why they almost went bankrupt. They only played nice during the time they were getting back into the game

I think you are at least partly right. The period after Jobs left was pretty bad. The Mac was too expensive and not providing enough advantages to be worthwhile. But the work that happened at NeXT basically enabled the Mac to make a comeback (macOS is basically a variant of the NeXT OS). And indeed this is the period when they did play quite nice but I don't think it was only to get back in the game. I think Steve Jo…

To see the mindset of Steve at NeXT there are a few biographies on that subject, e.g. "Steve Jobs & the Next Big Thing".

Also to note there was the other alternative reality where Apple acquired Be instead.

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Post by naravara »

gwd wrote: post #75

> From that point on, Steve would go on to spend lavishly on things that improved the experience, and he would reject—often brutally—any idea that diluted or harmed the experience. ...I’ll go out on a limb and say that uninvited advertising is not normally equated with a better customer experience. YES!!! SOO much of the Apple user experience has degraded due to this. I can't listen to my own music that I bought on t…

Hey now. If they allowed you to simply enjoy the stuff you have without butting in to remind you of everything you don’t have, you might actually feel a moment of lightness and happiness. If they want you spending money they need to cultivate feelings of covetousness, inadequacy, or fear. Contentment doesn’t sell.

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Post by notanastronaut »

ninetyninenine wrote: post #465
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There are two major classes of pirates. The first is people who don't have the money, e.g. students. They will never pay you; they don't have the money. The second is people who do have the money but value the experience above other things. These would be your best customers, if you provide the better experience. If you don't provide the better experience, they don't pay. Is that a rationalization? Maybe, but are you…

Let us be clear from the start. This thread is not about piracy. Everyone pirates. Everyone knows everyone pirates. The internet is a vast floating marketplace of digital oranges stolen from the same tree. The practical question is boring. The interesting question is psychological. How do you, personally, live with yourself while doing it? Why do people in this thread need to build entire theological systems of justi…

These comments feel like an LLM. Which would be peak irony, considering how people feel these models have stolen from humanity.

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Post by notanastronaut »

ninetyninenine wrote: post #495
oenton wrote: post #490

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Are you okay mate? Frankly your comments are absolutely unhinged. And that's not a value judgement, that's an observation.

Ah, the classic HN Passive Aggressive Concern Troll. “Are you okay mate?” Translation: I want to insult you, but I do not want dang to notice. It is the same genre as: “I am genuinely confused how someone could think this.” Translation: I am calling you stupid. or “This feels emotional rather than reasoned.” Translation: I have no counterargument. You are not being kind. You are being condescending while wearing a ca…

You are definitely copying and pasting from an LLM. Perhaps GPT, going by the flavor.

We see you trollin', we hatin', we caught you commenting dirty.

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Post by lostlogin »

ninetyninenine wrote: post #499
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I pay for usenet indexers and access, VPNs and Plex. I also pay for Netflix, Sky for Appletv. The piracy setup costs far more to run the streaming services. I do it for the quality and the all in 1 nature. I pay for the streaming services too, which makes me feel less bad about it. I should cut one or the other, but haven’t yet.

Yeah I would say you’re the minority use case or you’re lying. People who pay for and therefore fund pirates usually don’t pay for legal services as well.

Setup of an automated media server and the containers it requires was more or less my training for an IT role. Similar setups were maintained by most the staff and all also had streaming accounts.

I can’t fault the training, it helped me out of many jams.

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Post by notanastronaut »

sugarpimpdorsey wrote: post #177
strictnein wrote: post #95

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This is how Amazon is too with the movies and tv shows you bought. There's no way to search your owned library anymore. You just have to page through it to find what you want. And your library is hidden away behind a tiny little unlabeled icon in the upper right corner. And, to make matters worse, you have things like the Charlie Brown Halloween Special, which Apple now owns the rights to. You cannot in any way searc…

> you have things like the Charlie Brown Halloween Special People made fun of me for continuing to hoard physical media all these years. I predicted this hellscape might come one day. Man I love being right.

You are indeed correct. I'm the type of person who watches movies once and rarely goes back to re-watch them. But there are just a few things I truly wish to support and will go back and enjoy years later.

I went from a 0 movie collection to buying a higher end Blu-Ray player and purchasing UHD movies. Which is deeply ironic because I'm losing the ability to purchase movies locally with stores like BestBuy discarding them to Wal-Mart only having a few and none I wish to own.

Nothing I hate more than "where can I watch X" and the response is "you can't".

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Post by ninetyninenine »

notanastronaut wrote: post #507
ninetyninenine wrote: post #495

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Ah, the classic HN Passive Aggressive Concern Troll. “Are you okay mate?” Translation: I want to insult you, but I do not want dang to notice. It is the same genre as: “I am genuinely confused how someone could think this.” Translation: I am calling you stupid. or “This feels emotional rather than reasoned.” Translation: I have no counterargument. You are not being kind. You are being condescending while wearing a ca…

You are definitely copying and pasting from an LLM. Perhaps GPT, going by the flavor. We see you trollin', we hatin', we caught you commenting dirty.

errr no. You're trolling.
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