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Re: Samsung makes ads on smart fridges official with upcoming software update

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Post by kragen » Wed, Oct 29, 2025, 4:12 PM UTC

everdrive wrote: post #480

technothrasher wrote: post #244

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$3500 is about 1/3 of the cost of a "rich person" fridge.

The fridge example is an interesting problem. A middle class person would probably be much better off just buying a used or cheap fridge. ~$100 - $1000. It will last as long as the $3500 - $5000 fridge and will cost a fraction as much. (and due to not being premium-aka-huge will be much easier to cart inside and outside of your house when it does break down.) In _principle_ the truly rich person would be better off w…

Sometimes buying a longer-lived fridge for more money is still a bad bargain. If the short-lived fridge lives 20 years and the longer-lived one lives 100 years, the longer-lived one is a bad bargain if it costs twice as much, at any discount rate over about 3.34%. If it costs 4×, it's a bad bargain at any discount rate over 0.59%. At a 3% discount rate, the 4× fridge is a bad bargain even if you have to replace the short-lived fridge every 10 years.

However, probably the major cost of fridge failures is not replacement but the destruction of the fridge contents. A friend of mine recently lost their freezerful of food. Apparently after a power outage the freezer forgot whether it should be a freezer or a regular fridge and defaulted to "neither". This is an example of a "premium" feature making the freezer worse.

Re: Samsung makes ads on smart fridges official with upcoming software update

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Post by FuriouslyAdrift » Wed, Oct 29, 2025, 4:13 PM UTC

mynameisash wrote: post #259

darkwater wrote: post #184

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> What is the advantage of an inductive stove? That you can control temperature changes better than with a ceramic hob, on par with methane stoves. > I think in Europe they work with 360 V No, normal 230V (or 220V)

A few other advantages to induction: 1. Better air quality. You don't have combustion byproducts in the kitchen. 2. More efficient than both gas and conventional electric stoves. 3. Faster to heat than gas/conventional electric (due to the efficiency improvement) 4. Easier to clean (except for glass top stoves). I've yet to own a full-on induction stove, but I do regularly use the 120V induction hot plates in my kitc…

There's also bascially nothing to break. It's a solid state device. Same general tech idea as the wireless iPhone chargers.

Re: Samsung makes ads on smart fridges official with upcoming software update

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Post by LogicHound » Wed, Oct 29, 2025, 4:26 PM UTC

embedding-shape wrote: post #486

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> Yeah, which is easy to reason about because you're probably used to reason about stuff, sometimes even a lot. I reason about the same amount as anyone else. > But lots of the average person don't do much of that sort of reasoning, lots of people live life basically on impulses. They buy stuff based on their feelings, not based on "does this solve an actual problem I have that actually needs solving?". 1) There is n…

> I reason about the same amount as anyone else. Being frugal, thinking about what you need and similar ways of thinking is not common in the real world, it's a small selection of any population that acts and reasons like that. I'm not sure what to tell except go out more in the world and interact with people outside your bubble, if this isn't obviously clear to you already.

> Being frugal, thinking about what you need and similar ways of thinking is not common in the real world, it's a small selection of any population that acts and reasons like that.

It often is. Often out of necessity.

You are making the mistake a lot software developers and other professionals often make. Is that they think rationally and others do not. This is because in one area they are forced to think about things rationally because otherwise something simply doesn't work. This translates poorly often to outside of their field because they are often making incorrect assumptions.

I have seen little evidence that professional in software are any more or less rational, frugal than any other group of people and often they will spend their money on absolute garbage. This is so prevalent there are memes about it online.

Moreover I've seen many Software Developers and people that surround them in tech (e.g. BA, Testers, Project Managers) fall for some of the most obvious bullshit.

> I'm not sure what to tell except go out more in the world and interact with people outside your bubble, if this isn't obviously clear to you already.

So, I could say the exact same thing to you. TBH, I actually think this is projection. The way you are talking is like the way I used to talk when I was younger and had less real world experience. It should give you pause that another person has a radically different opinion, is arguing against their own group (I am a dev) and I can back that up with a decent rationale as to why I believe it.

Your argument throughout this boils down to "I think this is true, because I think other people are dumb". Which is pure hubris.

Re: Samsung makes ads on smart fridges official with upcoming software update

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Post by Forgeties79 » Wed, Oct 29, 2025, 4:29 PM UTC

messe wrote: post #380

VladVladikoff wrote: post #326

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Sounds like something an LLM would say.

Everything does. That's the fucking problem.

What great insight! I can see how that would be frustrating - I know it bothers me too.

Re: Samsung makes ads on smart fridges official with upcoming software update

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Post by FuriouslyAdrift » Wed, Oct 29, 2025, 4:30 PM UTC

sgarland wrote: post #235

oh-4-fucks-sake wrote: post #176

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Speed Queen for washing machines. Bosch for dishwashers.

Bosch 800-series dishwashers are amazing . I’ve bought one at every house I’ve lived at, regardless of what’s installed. They’re quiet, they get everything clean no matter what, and they dry without a heating element, and without popping the front open. Re: washing machines, I tentatively put forward LG. I bought one (and matching dryer) in the early 2010s, and it lasted 7 years before needing me to replace some bala…

My parents have a Bosch 800 series dishwasher and it is excellent... frickin pricey for a dishwasher though (about 3x more than the cheap GE one in my place)

Re: Samsung makes ads on smart fridges official with upcoming software update

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Post by nappy-doo » Wed, Oct 29, 2025, 4:38 PM UTC

_cs2017_ wrote: post #273

nappy-doo wrote: post #139

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I beg to differ that Samsung makes good stuff. We had a Samsung front-loading washer. The drum and the crank that holds the drum were made of two different materials, and in the presence of the water and detergent, a galvanic reaction occurred, dissolving the drum arm. Replacing the arm was $400 in parts and over 8 hours in repair time. (There's lots of YT videos of this exact repair.) What kind of monkey designs som…

How long did it take to break? Also, I'm wondering if any other manufacturer would make the crank and the drum from the same material. Wouldn't it be like $100 extra to make a stainless steel spider?

I can't recall, but I think it was about 7 years. Some will say that's an acceptable lifetime, but I think I did the math once, and estimated it was only a little less than laundromat pricing (less opportunity cost).

Re: Samsung makes ads on smart fridges official with upcoming software update

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Post by marssaxman » Wed, Oct 29, 2025, 4:41 PM UTC

derefr wrote: post #309

fn-mote wrote: post #270

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Parent was funny but almost a non-sequitor. I appreciated the kernel of truth: industrial fridges will not come with adware in the foreseeable future. Buy industrial.

I mean, my point was that there are actually three different ways you can spend a lot of money on a fridge, and it's a lot like with PCs. You can buy: • a big ugly powerful repairable/durable industrial one (like a server); • an average-sized, somewhat-fancy (because high-trim), repairable/durable commercial one (like a workstation); • or an average-sized fancy "aesthetic" one, made by a design company rather than an…

I once bought a commercial dishwasher. It cost twice as much used as a domestic dishwasher would have cost new, and I had to add a 220 outlet and run some new plumbing; but the kitchen in that house had no space for a normal dishwasher, so I had to be creative. I put the big machine on my back porch, just outside the kitchen door: it was ugly, loud, and absurdly fast. Once it came up to temperature, it could wash a tray of dishes in three minutes flat. Great for cleaning up after dinner parties. It was certainly a kind of luxury, in a brute-force way.

Re: Samsung makes ads on smart fridges official with upcoming software update

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Post by embedding-shape » Wed, Oct 29, 2025, 5:22 PM UTC

LogicHound wrote: post #503

embedding-shape wrote: post #486

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> I reason about the same amount as anyone else. Being frugal, thinking about what you need and similar ways of thinking is not common in the real world, it's a small selection of any population that acts and reasons like that. I'm not sure what to tell except go out more in the world and interact with people outside your bubble, if this isn't obviously clear to you already.

> Being frugal, thinking about what you need and similar ways of thinking is not common in the real world, it's a small selection of any population that acts and reasons like that. It often is. Often out of necessity. You are making the mistake a lot software developers and other professionals often make. Is that they think rationally and others do not. This is because in one area they are forced to think about thing…

> The way you are talking is like the way I used to talk when I was younger and had less real world experience.

It's incredible interesting, if anything else, that I feel the same about you and could have written exactly the same thing as you seem to lack real-world experience, and probably are a bit younger than me, judging by what you wrote.

But instead, probably better to stop here and acknowledge we won't get to anything interesting after all, so thank you for your time, and maybe see you around :)

Re: Samsung makes ads on smart fridges official with upcoming software update

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Post by drdaeman » Wed, Oct 29, 2025, 5:57 PM UTC

MangoToupe wrote: post #424

drdaeman wrote: post #333

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Oh, well, forget all that bullshit please. I can see how that "smart" is utter nonsense no one possibly wants. If you need an app and Internet connection to operate a home appliance that's stupid , not smart. Crapware vendors really ruined it. Instead, please imagine your dishwasher has a standardized management and observation API that's exposed on a LAN and can be consumed by your local IoT management software (e.g…

Forgive me, but this seems wildly naive.

No offense taken. What's naive and and why do you think so?

I totally recognize almost nothing of the sort is currently offered on consumer market. You need to have skills and time, or hire someone with skills and time, to make a system like that. It's already possible today though. And I don't see any reason why the situation has to remain bad like this forever.

Re: Samsung makes ads on smart fridges official with upcoming software update

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Post by rcarmo » Wed, Oct 29, 2025, 5:58 PM UTC

distances wrote: post #408

rcarmo wrote: post #46

I've managed to mostly excise Samsung from my digital life (except for phones that family buys without my knowledge and that I have to troubleshoot), and I have been happier for it for many decades now. (This was after direct exposure to their Tizen engineering team back in the early 2000s) I stayed away from their phones, SmartTVs, everything.

Tizen was launched in 2012, not sure that would count as early 2000s! But I had colleagues who were also working with the Tizen team, and that's when I learned it'll never fly. Samsung just didn't have the software engineering mindset required for it.

The short version of the story is that I was working with one of the Samsung mobile engineering teams for Vodafone 360 (look it up). The other team was the Galaxy team.