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Re: Sora 2

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Post by estearum »

bnop wrote: post #443
estearum wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> His job is to say whatever assuages his market I understand the cynicism but this is in fact not the job of a businessman. We shouldn't perpetuate the pathological meme that it is.

So the job of a businessman is not to increase shareholder value?

Nope. A CEO can't essentially steal from shareholders, but otherwise they have extremely broad latitude in how they engage in business.

There is no legal or moral imperative to make antisocial, unethical, or short term decisions that "maximize shareholder value."

This is something that morally weak people tell themselves (and others) to justify the depravity they're willing to sink to in order to satiate their greed.

The concept doesn't even make sense: different shareholders have different priorities and time horizons. A businessperson has no way to know what it objectively means to maximize their returns. They must make a subjective determination, and they have extremely broad latitude to do that.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by crazygringo »

btbuildem wrote: post #486

They're really playing loose with copyright: you have to actively opt out for them to not use your IP in the generated videos [1] Tangentially related: it's wild to me that people heading such consequential projects have so little life experience. It's all exuberance and shiny things, zero consideration of the impacts and consequences. First Meta with "Vibes", now this. 1: https://www.gurufocus.com/news/3124829/opena…

Do you have a better source for that? The footer to that article explicitly states the article is bot-generated.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by bamboozled »

Soon, you won't even have to do anything to post a video of yourself doing something "interesting" on social media, what at time to be alive.

There would for sure be large swathes of people who would just lie about what they're doing and use AI to make it seem like they're skateboarding, or skiing or whatever at a pro or semi-pro level and have a lot of people watch it.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by groggo »

morleytj wrote: post #496
the_duke wrote: post #273

I haven't seen comments regarding a big factor here: It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network - TikTok but AI. The webapp is heavily geared towards consumption, with a feed as the entry point, liking and commenting for posts, and user profiles having a prominent role. The creation aspect seems about as important as on Instagram, TikTok etc - easily available, but not the primary focus. Genera…

Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

It's pretty entertaining.

People always like telling stories. Books, comic strips, movies, they're all just telling a story with a different amount of it left up to the viewer's imagination. Lowering the barrier to entry for this type of stuff is so cool.

I think you have to be pretty pessimistic to not just think it's really cool. You can find issues with it for sure, and maybe argue that those issues outweigh the benefit, but hard to say it's not going to be fun for some people.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by mscbuck »

I can't help but see these technologies and think of Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park.

My boss sends me complete AI Workslop made with these tools and he goes "Look how wild this is! This is the future" or sends me a youtube video with less than a thousand views of a guy who created UGC with Telegram and point and click tools.

I don't ever think he ever takes a beat, looks at the end product, and asks himself, "who is this for? Who even wants this?", and that's aside from the fact that I still think there are so many obvious tells with this content that make you know right away that it is AI.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by janalsncm »

morleytj wrote: post #496
the_duke wrote: post #273

I haven't seen comments regarding a big factor here: It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network - TikTok but AI. The webapp is heavily geared towards consumption, with a feed as the entry point, liking and commenting for posts, and user profiles having a prominent role. The creation aspect seems about as important as on Instagram, TikTok etc - easily available, but not the primary focus. Genera…

Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

> We are giving users the tools and optionality to be in control of what they see on the feed

If this works it is a more powerful algorithm shaping mechanism than TikTok’s revealed preference feed. Even if Sora doesn’t take off, it could force TikTok to integrate something similar.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by xenobeb »

tootie wrote: post #442
gorgoiler wrote: post #87

Impressively high level of continuity. The only errors I could really call out are: 1/ 0m23s: The moon polo players begin with the red coat rider putting on a pair of gloves, but they are not wearing gloves in the left-vs-right charge-down. 2/ 1m05s: The dragon flies up the coast with the cliffs on one side, but then the close-up has the direction of flight reversed. Also, the person speaking seemingly has their back…

The fact that this is their demo to the world and it's full of errors implies that average users will only get worse results.

It is not even just the errors. These video models are really impressive as long as you don't actually have something in your head you want to make. Then the laughable limitations are on full display.

I will believe it when I see because Sora 1 is probably the most disappointing technology given what I thought it was going to be that I can even think of. I waited forever for it and then barely used it because it sucks.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by stingraycharles »

morleytj wrote: post #496
the_duke wrote: post #273

I haven't seen comments regarding a big factor here: It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network - TikTok but AI. The webapp is heavily geared towards consumption, with a feed as the entry point, liking and commenting for posts, and user profiles having a prominent role. The creation aspect seems about as important as on Instagram, TikTok etc - easily available, but not the primary focus. Genera…

Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

Honestly if I learned anything over the past few decades it’s that I’m typically wrong about these kind of predictions, and society as a whole uses social media in a way that I just don’t comprehend. I would have never guessed a social media app whose biggest feature is “it disappears within 24h!” (even though you can easily screenshot everything) would become as big as it became.

Also, remember that it’s not about benefitting society as a whole, it’s about benefitting the investors. If the investors get rich at the cost of society, it’s a win for OpenAI.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by JohnnyMarcone »

Gud wrote: post #396
echelon wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I posit this is the real story. OpenAI did not stealthily release Sora 2 to the image and video ELO ranking leaderboards ahead of time as is now somewhat tradition. This model is probably designed to run fast and cheap as a social play. Emphasis on putting you and your friends into popular franchises and IPs. OpenAI probably has a totally different model for their Hollywood-grade VFX. One that's too expensive to offe…

Why would I want to watch any of this?

I found some of it funny and entertaining.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by fennecbutt »

morleytj wrote: post #496
the_duke wrote: post #273

I haven't seen comments regarding a big factor here: It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network - TikTok but AI. The webapp is heavily geared towards consumption, with a feed as the entry point, liking and commenting for posts, and user profiles having a prominent role. The creation aspect seems about as important as on Instagram, TikTok etc - easily available, but not the primary focus. Genera…

Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

None. But the people love clout. It's baked into our tribal nature.
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