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I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by jeffbee »

chongli wrote: post #464
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #321

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Because it's not actually a disadvantage, because if it's actually open source no one can stop anyone else from doing it. If you or your company wants to work 80 hour weeks to improve power efficiency on Linux, you can submit patches to all the different projects where nobody else is doing the work. And that actually happens in real life. Most of the projects care to begin with because they use their own stuff and do…

And that actually happens in real life. Most of the projects care to begin with because they use their own stuff and don't want to ruin their own battery life or have a competitive disadvantage over the alternative. Sure, they try not to ruin the battery life , but who is investing the amount of engineering resources into Linux battery life that Apple invests into macOS's? No one, of course, because the ROI of doing…

> who is investing the amount of engineering resources into Linux battery life that Apple invests into macOS's?

ChromeOS.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by nottorp »

eigenspace wrote: post #485
nottorp wrote: post #447

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I've actually bought a gaming laptop for someone this year. Asus. It comes with a brick proprietary charger that delivers the full power it can use and also with an USB PD that can't fully power it. Guess it works if not gaming, or gaming at reduced fps.

You know this isn't a thread about Asus, right?

Seems to be about the need for large accessories that double the volume and weight of a laptop.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by lynndotpy »

cyberax wrote: post #433
lynndotpy wrote: post #272

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One can not disable the animations on MacOS. I would very much like to be wrong. Please tell me I am wrong and how to disable animations, especially when swapping between desktops.

You can do that by installing FlashSpace. It reimplements the desktop management just to get rid of that stupid animation. Apple is at this point maliciously incompetent...

I'm surprised and happy a third party solution exists for this. It's a shame a Mac requires so much third-party software to get it to a usable state. But it's a good thing supply-chain attacks are a long solved problem, and Macs can not get malware.

(For posterity: I am being sarcastic, to highlight how Apple's UX stance increases users exposure to supply chain attacks. "Macs can not get malware" is a long-standing myth.)

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by [deleted] »

seabrookmx wrote: post #122

The article is pretty light on details. Whether the Framework is worth it to you really depends on your use case. I never leave a laptop in my bag for three weeks, and if I do I have the foresight to actually shut it down rather than sleep it. So the battery drain while sleeping is less of a problem for me. My Framework 13 has the Ryzen 5 AI 340 Chip, and I get 5-6 hours of work on a charge. The Macbooks definitely b…

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Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by ben-schaaf »

heavyset_go wrote: post #463
ben-schaaf wrote: post #358

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Do you have a source for that? The only thing I've found is S3 sleep under coreboot, which only applies to intel.

These[1] have S3 sleep enabled in their firmware thanks to System76. [1] https://hpdevone.com/

That's cool, but the 5850u is from 2021, around the time Microsoft started pushing hard for modern standby. Other laptops of that generation also have a S3 bios setting: https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLaptops/comments/yvpae5/to_al...

The oldest AMD chip framework sells is two generations, and to me knowledge don't have S3 support.

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Post by adolph »

bo1024 wrote: post #138
whatarethembits wrote: post #43

Battery life is the only thing stopping me from getting out of the Apple ecosystem. As soon as a viable Linux laptop with "enough" battery life becomes available, I'll make the switch. At that point there's nothing on Apple side that couldn't be done better in Linux (with a bit of work, but that's okay). I travel a lot, and often on standby for work during that time. I need to be confident that when I pull the laptop…

I think you could shut down a framework, swap the battery, and boot back up in probably 3 minutes or maybe only 1.

> swap the battery

I count 14, 8 and 5 screws to swap the battery:

https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Battery/425

https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Battery+Replacement+Guide/85...

https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Battery/278?lang=en

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by adolph »

vander_elst wrote: post #348

Honest question, how is it possible that Macs are so much better in terms of hardware? Context: I use a MacBook at work and a Lenovo with Linux at home and now I might need to change my personal laptop, but I struggle to find (hardware) reasons why not to buy a MacBook, a MacBook Air is actually cheaper than another laptops with similar specs. There's still the ideology of repairability and openness which still plays…

> the ideology of repairability

The best kind of repairability is not having to repair something.

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Post by mjrpes »

PhilipRoman wrote: post #398
yehat wrote: post #353

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My thinking is that Microsoft is basically the most influential in that, as they badly want to do their "stuff" while the laptop is not in use. Their "stuff" requires network connectivity and seemingly they believe they can do updates, or any other "optimizations" when the laptop is in "modern sleep" mode.

I'm surprised this required implementing a whole new sleep mode. Since it seems to be mostly used for async background tasks, why not configure the RTC to wake the laptop every hour or so (I think every laptop in existence already supports suspend with timeout) and go back to suspend if no tasks need to be done?

Microsoft wants laptops/PCs to mimic a phone and remain always connected to the internet and processing real-time emails/VOIP calls. It's all explained here: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/de...

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Post by didibus »

acchow wrote: post #427
bzzzt wrote: post #394

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Interesting, never heard of that specific mode before. Does it save the entire RAM or just the OS state and open files?

Most people don't encounter this. It only happens when your macbook battery is about to die while in sleep mode.

Ah yes, I think I've seen this before, it still resumes impressively fast from it, and I think since I normally notice the battery is almost dead it gives itself a good excuse.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by didibus »

bzzzt wrote: post #385
didibus wrote: post #336

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> If you can’t hibernate (aka suspend to disk) you will never be able to get that power consumption low Does Mac hibernate? Because if it does, the wake up is literally under 100ms, it's just imperceptible. You open the lid and it's already awake.

Mac M series don't do hibernation, probably because sleep has so little impact on battery life (my MacBook lasts for about a month in sleep mode) and Apple doesn't like to burden users with questions like 'what sleep mode to use'.

Right, that's what Linux laptop needs, not hybernation.
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