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Re: US reportedly forcing TSMC to buy 49% stake in Intel to secure tariff relief

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Post by ModernMech »

lukas099 wrote: post #424
ModernMech wrote: post #149

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> Nothing will change in the US if Ukraine falls tomorrow. It certainly will when Putin moves on to invading Poland or Finland. The whole point of holding the line at Ukraine is because everyone believes Putin won’t stop there.

After the unexpected difficulty of the Ukraine war, how likely is it that they would try to extend themselves even further, against stronger countries than Ukraine?

More likely than if they lose in Ukraine, that's for sure. Because the lesson they will have learned is that invading countries is a winning strategy. They were deluded enough to invade Ukraine, they are deluded enough to invade Poland.

"Putin is too sensible to invade Ukraine" was the argument people were making the day before he did. My guess is these are the same people who now say "Putin would never invade Poland".

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Post by notepad0x90 »

mallets wrote: post #495
notepad0x90 wrote: post #455

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I don't know why analysis like this doesn't go a bit deeper. Yes americans will pay more, but TSMC will also see less demand. Intel has it's own foundry, maybe it can start competing against TSMC, because now TSMC costs a lot more and intel's cost of manufacturing in the US to compete against TSMC can be recouped much better thanks to the new market prices set by the TSMC tariffs? Government's shouldn't put up with m…

It doesn't work if you don't have 1:1 product, which Intel foundry absolutely doesn't. Not in performance, price or just ease of use. No one is going to risk years and billions to get it working on Intel, that's a sure way to lose your edge. Companies (like Nvidia) will just raise prices and if demand drops they will divert more of it to countries like China and EU. And demand isn't going to drop much anyway for in-d…

You didn't address the fact that they have state-side facilities slated to open in 2026? You also said intel "doesn't" not "can't" isn't it more reasonable that demand will force supply to adapt. Why couldn't intel compete before? and why can't it going forward? China is working on TSMC rivals (if they haven't succeeded already), the west should just sit on its hands and wait for a military conflict with china because of TSMC dependence? in the short term you're right, but change is long due.

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Post by cyanydeez »

nosignono wrote: post #207
tw04 wrote: post #204

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>so the logical conclusion is that American consumers will end up paying the tariffs. That’s been the point all along… they are significantly raising taxes on the bottom 90% of Americans and most are too stupid to even understand it. Gotta pay for those tax cuts for the wealthy somehow.

It has nothing to do with stupidity. Stop painting people as idiots because they exist in one of the most information hostile environments in human history. This isn't some natural state that's unrecoverable. The people you describe have been given a highly addictive media environment tailor made to engender outrage and drive behavior. It shouldn't be a shock when most people cannot resist it. The first step to chang…

The grift economy loves it when the narks are blamed.

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

ModernMech wrote: post #149
Alupis wrote: post #110

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Nothing will change in the US if Ukraine falls tomorrow. People love to cry foul when the US flexes it's might... then cry foul when the US takes a back seat... literally cry foul no matter what the US does. If Ukraine is so important to the world order, why has Europe (you know, Ukraine's actual neighbors) not stepped up with their full military power? Why is Europe not threatening troops, missiles, aircraft, tanks,…

> Nothing will change in the US if Ukraine falls tomorrow. It certainly will when Putin moves on to invading Poland or Finland. The whole point of holding the line at Ukraine is because everyone believes Putin won’t stop there.

It would not be a terrible loss for the world if Russia invades Poland. Been there, too many consonants in their names and the food is too sweet.

Never been to Finland so no opinion on that.

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Post by tomhow »

lossolo wrote: post #402
dylan604 wrote: post #385

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I never said or meant to imply by not specifically saying something that the opposing view was unavailable back then. That's just willfully trying to twist the narrative to a purpose I don't know why it is necessary. But since we're here, we can compare/contrast. RFE/RL could broadcast whatever it wanted. If you received it and heard the contrary views from what official stance was, you can pretty much just accept it…

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> Honestly, you have no idea what you're talking about.

> The idea that people in authoritarian countries are clueless about what’s really going on is arrogant and frankly ignorant.

You can't comment like this on Hacker News, no matter what you're replying to. The guidelines clearly ask us to avoid swipes and name-calling like this. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

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Post by tomhow »

dylan604 wrote: post #436
lossolo wrote: post #402

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This kind of personally-attacking comment is against the guidelines on HN, no matter what you're replying to. We've asked you before to avoid posting comments that break the guidelines, so it's annoying to have to ask you again. HN is only a place where people want to participate because others make the effort to keep the standards up. Please do your part if you want to keep participating here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by notTooFarGone »

treyd wrote: post #284
MBCook wrote: post #193

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Is “don’t buy stuff with TSMC chips” really a valid option we have? Isn’t that basically “stop buying high technology” to a large degree?

We can use older processes if we have to. We'd be taking a step back of... maybe 5-10 years? Computers 10 years ago were not that much slower than they are today. Volume would be a bigger concern than performance. Maybe it'd force the tech industry to start writing more efficient user-facing software instead of depending on the incremental advancements made by chip designers and semi fabs.

And that's my friends is how to crash the stock market.

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Post by Herring »

_t9ow wrote: post #478
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #266

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Post the rest of the quote

You were downvoted, but you were right in pointing out that the quote was taken out of context. Here's the full context: "Nixon should be told," Kissinger said, "that it is probably an objective of [Clark M. Clifford, the Secretary of Defense] to depose [Nguyen Van Thieu, the President of South Vietnam] before Nixon is inaugurated. Word should be gotten to Nixon that if Thieu meets the same fate as [Ngo Dinh Diem, a…

Yes let’s discuss Kissinger’s intentions. That’s so much easier than discussing shitty US foreign policy.

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Post by rchaud »

arathis wrote: post #476
nosignono wrote: post #207

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It has nothing to do with stupidity. Stop painting people as idiots because they exist in one of the most information hostile environments in human history. This isn't some natural state that's unrecoverable. The people you describe have been given a highly addictive media environment tailor made to engender outrage and drive behavior. It shouldn't be a shock when most people cannot resist it. The first step to chang…

I’m not in the US, so I don’t know what it’s like from the inside but from the outside it’s so comically obvious how straight up stupid and brazen trump and his cronies are that it beggars beleif. How can so many be so gullible?

They're not gullible. They are in full agreement with the leadership's desire to punish the "undesirables" in their society and purge the values they don't agree with. That they too will eventually suffer the consequences eventually is less urgent than knowing that the "others" feel threatened right here and now.

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Post by myvoiceismypass »

dylan604 wrote: post #341
wat10000 wrote: post #327

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It’s not “a different point of view” to think that tariffs get paid by the other country. It’s not “a different point of view” to loathe Obamacare and like the ACA. It’s just ignorance. When the information is easily available, it’s willful ignorance. When they won’t obtain the information and they still hold strong opinions and vote accordingly, it’s at best stupidity.

How is it not a different point of view to think that healthcare should be tied to one's employment as opposed to all people should have access to affordable healthcare? We can discuss if Obamacare achieved what it wanted to do as I believe it was not very successful, but it at its core is a different view point. Yes, people believing other countries pay the tariffs are clearly not understanding of how tariffs work.…

OP said:

> loathe Obamacare and like the ACA

they were not arguing for or against obamacare, they were pointing out the laziness of people that don't realize that Obamacare _is_ the ACA, but somehow hate the former and love the latter.

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