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Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

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Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

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> not about urban planning genius or Scandinavian magic Fewer cars IS THE MAGIC and fewer cars IS GREAT URBAN planning.

Yes. In the future there will be no cars and no deaths related to them. We just live in the 1800' of our time.

I don't think bicycles, trams, buses and trains existed back then in the way they do now.

Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

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That's because in the UK people just don't walk, except in certain places. You wouldn't get this crane incident happening in London, for example. But in other places people just won't walk there. One way to reduce deaths is just get everyone into cars.

I can only assume you’re either not in the UK yourself, or you’re one of those people who thinks that because they drive even the shortest distances everyone else does. I walk daily, anything from down the road to a shop to right across town, most of the roads are set up to deal with that and have decent crossings so I don’t get mowed down by a car. The suggestion that people don’t walk in London is hilarious to me,…

I walk everywhere. I've walked across large portions of the country (literally weeks of walking at a time). London is one of the "certain places", as are other inner cities. Outer cities and the countryside are owned by cars. People aren't getting hurt because they only walk in designated areas. Cars are basically required in other places. Just a few weirdos like me walking and cycling.

Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

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Yes, that's why the second half of the equation is structural traffic calming: you both need to lower the speed limit and induce lower driving speeds. The US has historically not done a great job at the latter, and has mostly treated it as an enforcement problem (speeding cameras and tickets) rather than an environmental one (making the driver feel uncomfortable going over the speed limit, e.g. by making roads narrow…

> the >95% of the populace that speeds because it "feels right," and not because they're sociopathically detached. What about driving over the speed limit makes one "sociopathically detached"?

The enclosed nature of the car is what does that.

Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

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Tangential: I'd love to vote for a political party whose only thing is to copy stuff that works in other neighbor countries. Everyone wants to reinvent the wheel or is too proud or something, idk.

You're basically describing Volt Europa. They're having some success with that approach in Germany and the Netherlands, primarily at the municipality level

The last election must have been around the recent middle-east events (framing it purposefully neutral), because I remember I had some conflicting thoughts about their stance. I can't (honestly) remember if I voted for them then or not - but I strongly considered it, that much I know.

Edit: Writing this out I think, I'm probably part of the problem. Voters should remember who they voted for and benchmark the results against their campaign pledge. Keeping politicians responsible with the little power we individuals have.

Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

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Not as painful as getting run over, apparently.

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Whatever happened to the person choosing to operate dangerous machinery being the one responsible for it? Putting the onus of safety on everyone else is incredibly selfish and of course illogical.

Oh, and I'll be sure to tell my blind friend to look both ways before crossing.

Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

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You could create a dashboard. Most of the problem is human behavior. Look at the US, 40k annual fatalities. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in... Many US states, counties, and municipalities have a formal "Vision Zero" program. It unfortunately hasn't resulted in much improvement in the US. Some think the pandemic had an effect. https://zerodeathsmd.gov/resources/crashdata/crashdashboard/ ht…

I agree vision zero hasn’t been particularly effective in the US. In Boston, we have roads like Jamaicaway where the speed limit was lowered to 25mph and people regularly drive 50. Speed limits are functionally unenforced. Human behavior as a focal point of blame is skewered in a book that just came out. https://a.co/d/21guqjp argues that traffic engineering and design is what has resulted in the much higher death ra…

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Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

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Looking both ways is undone if drivers are speeding, not bothering to stop at stop signs and being generally unpredictable and dangerous. Blaming pedestrians for getting run over by speeders that are too impatient to drive at safe speeds in residential areas is a ludicrous opinion to take.

If you can't estimate how fast traffic is moving, you are either a child too young to cross unattended, or an idiot deserving of your fate. Pedestrians have far better visibility and can stop or change directions far more quickly than the slowest car.

Were you forced to operate your vehicle by the pedestrian crossing the street? No? Then take responsibility for your own damn choices. You're the one endangering everyone around you, not the pedestrians.

Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

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What kind of policy is that based on? Seems very counter intuitive, aren't are supposed to meet your classmates after school?

Essentially, this was the cheapest solution for our “limousine liberals” to address the problem of racial and economic segregation in San Francisco’s public schools. The idea was simple: since schools in areas like Hunter’s Point struggle, while those in neighborhoods like the Sunset perform well, the district decided to send students from Hunter’s Point to Sunset schools, and vice versa in order to “balance” outcome…

Stop saying "the city". The city is a faceless opaque blob. It only cares about things people care about because caring about things is good for it.

There are demographics and individuals who work hard to bring these net negative boondoggles into reality and they ought to take blame.

Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

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It's almost as if a balance could be achieved, both by reducing the number of cars and increasing the number of trains/busses.

Only in cities. And a lot of people don't want to live in ever-denser cities.

I live in a small village on top of a hill. Most people drive, but I don't. When I need to get some heavy stuff up the hill once a month or two, I get the bus. The rest of the time I walk.
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