‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler • Hacker News Board

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by ckemere » Wed, Jul 30, 2025, 6:49 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #256

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It is unclear to me that Palestinians represent an “ethnonationalist” block. My understanding is that the definition of “Jewish” for the purposes of immigration to Israel is a somewhat precise combination of genealogical or religious criteria. But I don’t know of an equivalent definition for Palestinian. Can someone educate me on this? In the absence of such a definition, it seems that the primary conflict is whether…

Any ethnonationalist definition is inherently subjective and thus inherently fuzzy. It’s an exercise that derives from a time when some thought one could scientifically classify races.

My point was that AFAIK, Palestinians would include Jews in the potential citizens of a Palestine. So that the conflict is not between two ethnonationalist groups.

There certainly is rhetoric around the ethnic origin of some Israeli citizens being Northern European rather than middle eastern, so perhaps the original claim has some validity.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by bluecheese452 » Wed, Jul 30, 2025, 6:49 PM UTC

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Israeli here, can't directly answer your question since I've lived in the US for 99% of my adult life, but I consider myself pro-Israel and resent the way Israel is currently/always being portrayed. I see the key problem as people removing context: Context for why the current situation could easily be different if Hamas acted/acts differently, and context for why there is no "just stop fighting" option that leaves Is…

The problem here though is what will ever give Israel confidence that Oct 7 will never happen again? We know that going after terrorists for years and killing them just creates more terrorists (Iraq, Afghanistan). The young children who do not end up dying of starvation will be men in 20 years, still in Gaza with no options to leave and resent Israel who they will consider to be effectively their jailer. The situatio…

We don’t know this. There are several wealthy nations that have produced many terrorists and several poor nations that have produced none. The most famous terrorist in history was a wealthy man from a wealthy nation.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by lern_too_spel » Wed, Jul 30, 2025, 6:49 PM UTC

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Has there ever been another group of people that have lost so many existential wars in a row but still demand they keep their land?

How do you define this group of people? Most Palestinians have more of the blood of Abraham than the European Jews who displaced them. The idea that the Jews fled Palestine after the Romans conquered it is a myth that can be verified by genetic testing. Many stayed and Hellenized and then converted to Christianity and then converted to Islam. Now these people won't do the rational thing and "convert" back to Judaism…

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/dammi-israeli-the-genetic-or...

"On balance it is fair to state that Palestinians are in fact ethnically Israelite. The divide between the Israelis and Palestinians is on religious and linguistic lines only."

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by ashoeafoot » Wed, Jul 30, 2025, 6:49 PM UTC

brentm wrote: post #415

Liron wrote: post #346

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Israeli here, can't directly answer your question since I've lived in the US for 99% of my adult life, but I consider myself pro-Israel and resent the way Israel is currently/always being portrayed. I see the key problem as people removing context: Context for why the current situation could easily be different if Hamas acted/acts differently, and context for why there is no "just stop fighting" option that leaves Is…

The problem here though is what will ever give Israel confidence that Oct 7 will never happen again? We know that going after terrorists for years and killing them just creates more terrorists (Iraq, Afghanistan). The young children who do not end up dying of starvation will be men in 20 years, still in Gaza with no options to leave and resent Israel who they will consider to be effectively their jailer. The situatio…

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Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by halflife » Wed, Jul 30, 2025, 6:50 PM UTC

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This is actually what the Nazis thought the Jews wanted - "if we dont exterminate them, theyll exterminate us". Their actions made sense in this context. It's one of several ways the zionists mirror the nazis.

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Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by halflife » Wed, Jul 30, 2025, 6:51 PM UTC

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Jews were kicked out of all the Arab nations they lived in, were persecuted in Europe, and you think that they shouldn’t get a sovereign country for themselves? Should the Kurds get one? Tibetans? Catalonias? Scottish?

Native Americans?

Is there a movement for native Americans sovereignty?

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by lostlogin » Wed, Jul 30, 2025, 6:51 PM UTC

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And how can anyone look at Gaza and think Israel should be allowed to carry on as it does? Someone needs to actually try and improve things.

Ruzzia is bombing Ukrainian cities to the ground. No countries are actively trying to stop them, just minor help to Ukraine to keep them afloat.

At least we aren’t giving the Russians bombs. The same can’t be said for Israel.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by slt2021 » Wed, Jul 30, 2025, 6:51 PM UTC

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there is plenty of Israeli officials like smotrich bengvir and other invoking Amalek doctrine. Also Israel officialy had "mowing the lawn" doctrine that is literal genocide https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14623528.2025.2...

I'm really not so much interested in litigating the broader conflict; just, this is a factoid that gets brought into these threads, and it's worth knowing the quote people are referring to was mischaracterized.

if we are interested in truth and justice, there is a mountain of evidence of genocide at ICC/ICJ awaiting the trial, so we should let the judicial process run its way, just like with Nuremberg trials

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by prepend » Wed, Jul 30, 2025, 6:52 PM UTC

brentm wrote: post #415

Liron wrote: post #346

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Israeli here, can't directly answer your question since I've lived in the US for 99% of my adult life, but I consider myself pro-Israel and resent the way Israel is currently/always being portrayed. I see the key problem as people removing context: Context for why the current situation could easily be different if Hamas acted/acts differently, and context for why there is no "just stop fighting" option that leaves Is…

The problem here though is what will ever give Israel confidence that Oct 7 will never happen again? We know that going after terrorists for years and killing them just creates more terrorists (Iraq, Afghanistan). The young children who do not end up dying of starvation will be men in 20 years, still in Gaza with no options to leave and resent Israel who they will consider to be effectively their jailer. The situatio…

> what will ever give Israel confidence that Oct 7 will never happen again?

No Hamas in power? Seems like that would give pretty good confidence.

This reminds me of alternate history stories where Japan refused to surrender. The US demanded unconditional surrender in WW2. What would have happened if the axis refused. What would have made the allies confident that the war was over without German and Japanese unconditional surrender.

It seems like Hamas is not surrendering and Israel is demanding that. If Hamas surrendered and left power, would that appease Israel?

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by ashoeafoot » Wed, Jul 30, 2025, 6:52 PM UTC

cool_dude85 wrote: post #355

Liron wrote: post #346

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Israeli here, can't directly answer your question since I've lived in the US for 99% of my adult life, but I consider myself pro-Israel and resent the way Israel is currently/always being portrayed. I see the key problem as people removing context: Context for why the current situation could easily be different if Hamas acted/acts differently, and context for why there is no "just stop fighting" option that leaves Is…

This happened in the occupied West Bank. What would you like Hamas to do differently there?

Hamas was a direct reaction to sharon removing settlers and occupations from the ghaza strip. Hamas os the ultimate answer of trading land for peace. Hamas also has in its charta that they do not want a 2 state solution and they must murder all the jews.