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iPhone 16 cameras vs. traditional digital cameras

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Re: iPhone 16 cameras vs. traditional digital cameras

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When I see expressions through my lens like the ones on the faces of those folks being photographed in the video, I respond by apologizing. This is not a throwaway and I am not Benjamin Damm, nor last I checked was he me. Are you quite well? Have you eaten anything today?

Then why are you explaining why you’ve said something if I’ve never spoken with or interacted with you before as though I would know what you have said lol

It was more that you don't seem to know what you have said. But that two people happen to agree on a point and independently pursue it isn't close to the same as saying they are the same person.

My identity has been obvious from my HN profile for nearly that profile's entire existence. The identity of the person, whom you have accused of using me as a throwaway, is likewise quite visible. They are plainly not the same. So unless you mean me to go on under the conclusion you are incompetent to defame by virtue of being overtly delusional, I'm not really clear on your intent.

Re: iPhone 16 cameras vs. traditional digital cameras

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I took my Fuji XT-2 and 27mm pancake lens on a recent trip, after leaving it at home the previous few. Every time, I find the Fuji takes more work and skill than I have to develop good photos after the fact. I too often blow out the sky, for example. Unfortunately, the less I use it, the worse I get. So snagging my "nice" camera for a vacation, then spending a lot of time making sure I lug it around and use it, and t…

If you have sufficient shutter speed (also depends if you have image stabilization), then I think the issue is probably focus. I also have a fuji camera. In manual mode, you can have focus indicator showing e.g. red dots in the in-focus areas. Another way is to use "focus check" button which is basically a quick digital zoom to check the focus yourself. Regarding blown-out sky, I often use the HDR auto mode which eff…

Yeah, I can confirm I'm getting AF on the points I want. No IBIS/lens stabilization though. I think it's camera shake but man, holding it pretty darn still at 1/600+ shutter speed, seems like it "should" be plenty. I should try zooming in on the original pic and reviewing in realtime with each shot. Ditto for the exposure work.

Re: iPhone 16 cameras vs. traditional digital cameras

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Then why are you explaining why you’ve said something if I’ve never spoken with or interacted with you before as though I would know what you have said lol

It was more that you don't seem to know what you have said. But that two people happen to agree on a point and independently pursue it isn't close to the same as saying they are the same person. My identity has been obvious from my HN profile for nearly that profile's entire existence. The identity of the person, whom you have accused of using me as a throwaway, is likewise quite visible. They are plainly not the sam…

This is a quote from your initial response to me and was quoted just above where I suggested it must be an alt:

> That's why I said it doesn't surprise me no one in any of these samples wears a genuine smile.

So I ask again, why are you explaining "why said it doesn't surprise ..." when I've never interacted with you before that reply of yours and you didn't say that prior to this explanation in that post?

I guess that may just be your style of communicating, though? Like you're explaining what you said to yourself? In your post you it seems you were speaking to yourself for a lot of it - posing questions for yourself to answer, eg.

Re: iPhone 16 cameras vs. traditional digital cameras

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post #503

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It was more that you don't seem to know what you have said. But that two people happen to agree on a point and independently pursue it isn't close to the same as saying they are the same person. My identity has been obvious from my HN profile for nearly that profile's entire existence. The identity of the person, whom you have accused of using me as a throwaway, is likewise quite visible. They are plainly not the sam…

This is a quote from your initial response to me and was quoted just above where I suggested it must be an alt: > That's why I said it doesn't surprise me no one in any of these samples wears a genuine smile. So I ask again, why are you explaining "why said it doesn't surprise ..." when I've never interacted with you before that reply of yours and you didn't say that prior to this explanation in that post? I guess th…

Well, I'm not really considering you as a person, any more than you could so consider me, we never having met. That's fair, in that this is a website intentionally privileging the quality of discourse in prose over the quality of credentials behind a screen name. (Historically, at least. I do get the sense being called a 'robber baron' enough might go to some people's heads, possibly coinciding with a noticeable increase in the occurrence rate of epistaxis. But never mind.)

In Hacker News threads about photography, there is invariably a sizable fraction of comments made by people who know nothing of the subject, have never engaged with it to a meaningful degree, and despite such radical ignorance nonetheless feel themselves empowered to speak as if they had any idea what they were talking about, or indeed understood even what they don't understand about it.

It's so common in fact as to qualify in practice as an archetype or invariant of the genre, and it's that to which I'm responding. You're right that I'm talking past you, but don't make too much of it. It's just that I've seen this all many times before.

For the same reason, I predict your next effort would have been to claim I have no stronger basis to speak on the topic than do you, and demand I distill the experience of ten years and something like a hundred thousand exposures into a tidy, ChatGPT-compatible bullet list which you can then performatively evaluate and find wanting. Oh, you won't do that now, of course. But you thought about it two paragraphs ago. Unfortunately, when asked the impossible, I am able to reject it as such.

If you want to see the conversation go a different way, then try taking it in a different direction. I admit you have already done this once! It's rare to see someone claim at once that two other people, strangers all, are both lying. I don't actually mind, being if anything ennobled by the association, though the gentleman with whom you confused me would be entirely reasonable to object.

But to answer your proximate question with respect to the distant antecedent, I referred to the quite long thread [1] in which I hashed out this whole question with the developer of the B2B SAAS for photographers, Candid9, which this article exists to advertise. I also offered some critique of the article itself.

You having spoken as if from great and very confident knowledge of so complex and nuanced a topic, I suppose it seemed reasonable also to expect at least passing familiarity with the actual conversations among which you were doing so. Excuse me. I do have this regrettable habit of assuming people intend to contribute to a discussion when they choose to participate in it, but I realize you're not alone in appearing to have other reasons.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44729594

Re: iPhone 16 cameras vs. traditional digital cameras

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I would love to do: - set aperture priority (fully open for most cases) - set shutter speed to AUTO with a limit (never open for longer than 1/100 s) - set ISO to AUTO with a limit (never go above 6400) If there is insufficient light, then by all means, the camera should adjust the shutter speed past the limit, but not until it has used all the available "reasonable" ISO range. It's a shame I have to wrestle my Sony…

My entire photography career I was incredibly frustrated that there was no good way to change the minimum shutter speed in aperture priority. Sure, I could go into a menu and change it from the range of 1/60 or a second to 1/200th (or 1/250th, depending on the camera), but that was it. This is on Nikon, btw. But yeah, give me more options damnit. It’s something that comes up so frequently when shooting that it blows…

On Sony, one can use ISOAutoMinSs in aperture priority mode to influence the shutter speed https://helpguide.sony.net/ilc/1540/v1/en/contents/TP0000829...

Re: iPhone 16 cameras vs. traditional digital cameras

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> The other extreme is people chasing paper-thin focus, which, I guess, isn't as easy to obtain on smaller sensors. Really? I used a nice longer (maybe 80mm equivalent) lens on an APS-C system a while ago, and it gave very shallow DoF while being much lighter and more practical (cheaper, etc.) compared to what I can find for a full frame. Not going to look up the physics but I was under the impression that shallow Do…

Sure. But now go compare a FF 80mm with the same aperture as your 50 or similar lens used on the APS-C. The depth of field will be shallower on the FF. > I was under the impression that shallow DoF is easier on smaller sensors (I don’t mean phone small, just crop small). It's the reverse. These things are continuous. There's no reason for it to be easier one way, then all of a sudden stop and become increasingly diff…

> But now go compare a FF 80mm with the same aperture as your 50 or similar lens used on the APS-C. The depth of field will be shallower on the FF.

I did not see it becoming shallower after moving to FF, but then I was using different lenses on FF (cheaper older manuals). That probably sums up what I mean.

Sure, when you account for crop and adjust for the same framing then DoF will in fact be deeper on the crop practically. However, even more practically, there are small and affordable f1> lenses made for crops, whereas the brightest 100mm I used on FF is f2.8 or so because going lower they are really big and/or really expensive. So, for equivalent cost/size/weight, you may have easier time getting shallow DoF on a crop if you buy lenses specifically for crops (which admittedly limits your choice of glass).

Re: iPhone 16 cameras vs. traditional digital cameras

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> compared to the loudness wars I would like to compare it to "cinema mode" on my television. I sometimes turn on cinema mode, but although the colors have more subtlety, nuance and accuracy... dimness just doesn't compare as well as you think to a much brighter picture. sigh. That said, it's a little annoying that the apple camera app doesn't capture raw out-of-the-box.

You can do raw out of the box - just need to enable it in settings

whoa! you are right! where did that come from?

EDIT: wait, seems to be only some phones.

Re: iPhone 16 cameras vs. traditional digital cameras

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I usually just tell people. > "Which button do I press" The Big One. > focus It's automatic. (If I'm handing a stranger my camera.) > zoom level This is maybe the hardest one, I guess, … but I do think most people have seen enough TV cop dramas to instinctively know. Or, they can just take the photo at the zoom I've handed them, and it won't be a big deal. Walking forward a few steps is also like zooming.

Agreed: I usually compose a shot with everybody but me in it, stand until a passer-by walks nearby so they'd end up in roughly the same spot. It's not the same and composition is usually off, but they are passable for what I want them to be (full family photos, usually). Sometimes you get a stranger looking through a viewfinder and crouching and you know you've got yourself another hobbyist (or pro) as well :) Those…

> Sometimes you get a stranger looking through a viewfinder

This happened the last time I gave my camera to someone and I was smacking myself, as I'd put the camera into "LCD screen is viewfinder mode", since then it is closer to a phone for most people. And I'd found someone who knew what a viewfinder was! Of course, it's just black. (The mirror being in the way.)

Re: iPhone 16 cameras vs. traditional digital cameras

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> I doubt anyone is going wildlife shooting with a large format camera, for example. Not with true large format, but with the new Fuji medium format cameras it's starting to become reasonably possible to do faster work like wildlife at larger format sizes. The main issue remains, which is sensor readout speed, but the technology has gotten so much better that you can get results with things like birds-in-flight that…

I’d also just add that Fuji has some of the worst autofocus on the market right now. Going between my Fuji and Sony bodies, I realized how much I took my Sony AF for granted. If Sony would make a MF body, I’d be all in.

I immediately felt the heft after switching to FF, and that while specifically choosing lighter and smaller used primes. Do light & small primes exist for MF at all? Can you realistically casually carry an MF setup with a few lenses, or is that basically a car-only ordeal (and good luck flying commercial with it)?
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