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Re: Hyatt Hotels are using algorithmic Rest “smoking detectors”

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Post by tbrownaw »

sbarre wrote: post #497
tbrownaw wrote: post #468

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'll assume good faith here: This tells me that you think that treating housing supply as a relevant factor to the price of housing is a stupidly obvious error. > So they don't necessarily "prevent housing construction" (what housing gets built is a topic a bit too complex to get into here) but they absolutely do reduce available housing in large cities and in-demand areas, in the ways outlined above. That you for…

> > I'll assume good faith here: > This tells me that you think that treating housing supply as a relevant factor to the price of housing is a stupidly obvious error. Nah it's just that we've had trolls in here before who try to make bad faith arguments about AirBnB, by pretending they don't see the problems created by turning housing into short-term rentals. > > So they don't necessarily "prevent housing constructio…

> since there is a finite capacity for building housing (based on available builders - i.e. capital and manpower).

This is the only actually relevant point in the post.

And the only situation where it can be true is if ability to build more housing isn't subject to market forces, ie is constricted by bad policy.

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Post by pardner »

Can we talk about hacking, this being hackernews?

A few comments claim the sensors can be triggers by non-smoking events such as hairspray, nail polish remover, perfume...

If that is accurate it seems to me one could exploit that sensor flaw by purposefully triggering a false positives with some benign action - and video record doing so - perhaps a couple of times.

Then if and when smoking is alleged, obtain a log of the alleged event times, then provide video evidence that debunks at least one alleged smoking event.

A relatively small number of activists could probably create a viral nightmare for Hyatt and anyone else implementing this system.

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Post by int_19h »

vkou wrote: post #289
idiotsecant wrote: post #285

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I think we got some wires crossed somewhere, my government is helping them beat me up more ...

It takes constant vigilance to prevent that union from being captured by management.

Being captured by the management is its normal state, that's how it evolved in the first place.

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Post by int_19h »

xcrunner529 wrote: post #491
amy214 wrote: post #476

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The issue is the representation went from 1:999 to 1:99999999999 representative ratio, so no voice is heard. It's like being in a class of 30 people vs 300,000 people. The answer is common sense abstraction, for example, I am writing this on a JVM on a docker on VM on a docker on a VM on a cloud on a VM. The use of so many layers of abstractions makes it exponentially more powerful. What we need is basically a docker…

Did it? Has the house of rep proportion changed?

It went from ~35k people per representative back in 1790 to ~750k today, so yes, we have diluted the representation of a single person by about 20x.

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Post by int_19h »

xcrunner529 wrote: post #429
dboreham wrote: post #408

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> totalitarian state... where you don't even get a vote Quick note that totalitarian states often have elections in which the population is allowed to vote.

Yea Russia does and of course Putin always wins by a large amount…

FWIW Putin would almost certainly have won a free and fair election today with a hefty margin.

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Post by slater »

int_19h wrote: post #505
xcrunner529 wrote: post #429

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Yea Russia does and of course Putin always wins by a large amount…

FWIW Putin would almost certainly have won a free and fair election today with a hefty margin.

Just like he's won all previous elections. Which, of course, were also free and fair.

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Post by margalabargala »

lxgr wrote: post #323
margalabargala wrote: post #282

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They're a boom compared the the impossible ideal world where every instance is prosecuted separately, but barring the superhuman feat of getting thousands of individuals to show up to court, they are certainly far worse for corporations than any realistic alternate scenario.

One alternative is having consumer protection laws with teeth and state-sponsored consumer protection agencies pursuing lawsuits to enforce their boundaries. It works fairly well that way in some European countries.

Consumer protection laws with teeth? In the US?

I said realistic scenario.

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Post by southernplaces7 »

rdtsc wrote: post #11

> I asked Erik if the room needed to be cleaned [...] And he said it wasn't needing special cleaning so he offered me $250 Well that sort of says everything we'd want to know. They charged the customer $500, like they'll need to tear up the room and bring in a large team to clean everything. But they never bothered with that because they know it's a scam, and the company selling these knows exactly how their customer…

>> "Rest’s in-room smoking detection service has helped us capture a lucrative ancillary revenue stream while also improving our guest experience." Kirsten Snyder, Asset Manager, Woodbine

At least this chain mentions using lubrication while shafting its customers.

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Post by nedt »

„Smoke detectors don‘t lie“ might be true, but not everything they detect is always smoke.

In my building all flats have one. It gets triggered by workers cutting a hole in the wall or people cooking. We covered it when we had the fog machine for Halloween because that surely would have triggered it. Almost every time it went off it was a false alarm.

Which is also the second thing. It should never be silent. If it detects it needs to report audible and someone should come to your room. What happens if there is smoke because of a fire? We always had FD coming to our flat.

Algorithmic might sound smart but in the end it might just a boy that cries wolf.

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