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Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge

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Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

freejazz wrote: post #442
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #432

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you go to the book store and glance at all the cover art without buying any of them, do you expect to be sued for this?

If you do that and reproduce the covers or the protected elements thereof, you should absolutely expect to be sued.

So for example, if the bookstore has a nice 4k surveillance camera and you have access to it because you work there, sitting at home and using it to look at the cover art on all the books on display is something you'd expect to be sued over?

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Post by burnt-resistor »

pier25 wrote: post #380
6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #212

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You skipped quotes about the other important side: > But Alsup drew a firm line when it came to piracy. > "Anthropic had no entitlement to use pirated copies for its central library," Alsup wrote. "Creating a permanent, general-purpose library was not itself a fair use excusing Anthropic's piracy." That is, he ruled that - buying, physically cutting up, physically digitizing books, and using them for training is fair…

> buying, physically cutting up, physically digitizing books, and using them for training is fair use So Suno would only really need to buy the physical albums and rip them to be able to generate music at an industrial scale?

So not only did they pirate works but they destroyed possibly collectible physical copies too. Kafkaesque.

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Post by burnt-resistor »

stocksinsmocks wrote: post #420
bgwalter wrote: post #119

Here is how individuals are treated for massive copyright infringement: https://investors.autodesk.com/news-releases/news-release-de...

Anthropic isn’t selling copies of the material to its users though. I would think you couldn’t lock someone up for reading a book and summarizing or reciting portions of the contents. Seven years for thumbing your nose at Autodesk when armed robbery would get you less time says some interesting things about the state of legal practice.

I'm wondering though how the law will construe AI able to make a believable sequel to Moby Dick after digesting Herman Melville's works. (Or replace Melville with a modern writer.)

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Post by dathinab »

benced wrote: post #206
dathinab wrote: post #129

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not just Spotify pretty much any (most?) current tech giant was build by - riding a wave of change - not caring too much about legal constraints (or like they would say now "distrupting" the market, which very very often means doing illigal shit which beings them far more money then any penalties they will ever face from it) - or caring about ethics too much - and for recent years (starting with Amazone) a lot of tec…

As you point out, they mostly did this before they were large companies (where the public choice questions are less problematic). Seems like the breaking of these laws was good for everybody.

they where already big when they systematically broke this laws

breaking this laws is what lifted them from big, to supper marked dominant to a point where they have monopoly like power

that is _never_ good for everyone, or even good for the majority long term

what is good for everyone (but a few rich people and sometimes the US government) is proper fair competition. It drives down prices and allows people to vote with their money, a it is a corner stone of the American dream it pushes innovation and makes sure a country isn't left behind. Monopoly like companies on the other hand tend to have exactly the other effect, higher prices (long term), corruption, stagnating innovation, and a completely shattered American sound pretty bad for the majority of Americans.

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Post by kbelder »

m4rtink wrote: post #265

Anyone else thinks destroying books for any reason is wrong ? Or is it perhaps not an universal cultural/moral aspect ? I guess for example in Europe people could be more sensitive to it.

I have purposefully destroyed one book in my life, in order to prevent anyone from reading it:

Man of Two Worlds by Brian Herbert.

...and I did the world a favor.

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Post by dialup_sounds »

natch wrote: post #188
dialup_sounds wrote: post #157

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Swartz wasn't charged with copyright infringement.

*technically

Unlike much of the post hoc hagiography around Swartz, it's literally true.

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Post by protocolture »

itronitron wrote: post #453
pier25 wrote: post #380

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> buying, physically cutting up, physically digitizing books, and using them for training is fair use So Suno would only really need to buy the physical albums and rip them to be able to generate music at an industrial scale?

If it's fair use to train a model, that doesn't necessarily imply that the model can be legally used to generate anything.

Well there was that legal company who trained an LLM on their oppositions legal documents and then generated their own. I dont think inputs or outputs were ruled legal in that regard.

But as long as the model isnt outputting infringing works theres not really any issue there either.

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