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Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by const_cast »

reissbaker wrote: post #360
__turbobrew__ wrote: post #49

> With over 90% of the PC market running on NVIDIA tech, they’re the clear winner of the GPU race. The losers are every single one of us. I have been rocking AMD GPU ever since the drivers were upstreamed into the linux kernel. No regrets. I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games, and getting all in a huff about it isn’t worth my time or energy. But consumer gotta consoooooo…

I want to love AMD, but they're just... mediocre. Worse for gaming, and much worse for ML. They're better-integrated into Linux, but given that the entire AI industry runs on: 1. Nvidia cards 2. Hooked up to Linux boxes It turns out that Nvidia tends to work pretty well on Linux too, despite the binary blob drivers. Other than gaming and ML, I'm not sure what the value of spending much on a GPU is... AMD is just in a…

Price-per-price AMD typically has better rasterization performance in comparison to nvidia. The only price point where this doesn't hold true is the very tippy top, which, I think, most people aren't at. Nvidia does have DLSS which I hear is quite good these days. But I know for me personally, I just try to buy the GPU with the best rasterization performance at my price point, which is always AMD.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by rollcat »

needcaffeine wrote: post #211
the__alchemist wrote: post #207

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Thankfully, RTS is healthy again! (To your point about cycles)

What RTS games are you playing now, please?

It's non-competitive (I'm burnt out with SC2 ladder a bit), but I've been enjoying Cataclismo, Settlers 3 (THAT is a throwback), and I'm eyeing They are Billions.

Some SC2 youtubers are now covering Mechabellum, Tempest Rising, BAR, AoE4, and some in-dev titles: Battle Aces, Immortal: Gates of Pyre, Zerospace, and of course Stormgate.

These are all on my list but I'm busy enough playing Warframe ^^'

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by izacus »

lukeschlather wrote: post #488
izacus wrote: post #319

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With 5080 using 300W, talking about 500W is a bit of an exaggeration, isn't it?

I'm talking about the 5090 which is 575W.

But why are you talking about it? It's a hugely niche hardware which is a tiny % of nVidia cards out there. It's deliberately outsized and you wouldn't put it in 99% of gaming PCs.

And yet you speak of it like it's a representative model. Do you also use a Hummer EV to measure all EVs?

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by izacus »

kbolino wrote: post #411
izacus wrote: post #293

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EVGA was angry because nVidia wouldn't pay them for attempts at scalping which failed.

I've never seen this accusation before. I want to give the benefit of the doubt but I suspect it's confusing scalping with MSRP-baiting. It's important to note that nVidia mostly doesn't sell or even make finished consumer-grade GPUs. They own and develop the IP cores, and they contract with TSMC and others to make the chips, and they do make limited runs of "Founders Edition" cards, but most cards that are available…

Then you didn't follow the situation, since majority of EVGA anger was because nVidia wouldn't buy back their chips after EVGA failed to sell cards at hugely inflated price point.

Then they tried to weaponize PR to beat nVidia into buying back their unsold cores they thought they'll massively profit off with inflated crypto hype prices.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by bgnn »

Mistletoe wrote: post #417
dagaci wrote: post #403

Jenson has managed to kneel into every market boom in a reasonable amount of time with his GPUs and tech (hardware and software). No doubt he will be there when the next boom kicks off too. Microsoft fails consistently ... even when offered a lead on the plate... it fails, but these failures are eventually corrected for by the momentum of its massive business units. Apple is just very very late... but this failure ca…

What is the next boom? I honestly can’t think of one. Feels like we are just at the Age of the Plateau, which will be quite painful for markets and the world.

Jensen id betting on two technologies: integrated silicon photonucs, aka optical compute + communication (realistic bet), and Quantum computing (moonshot bet).

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by int_19h »

bob1029 wrote: post #89
__turbobrew__ wrote: post #49

> With over 90% of the PC market running on NVIDIA tech, they’re the clear winner of the GPU race. The losers are every single one of us. I have been rocking AMD GPU ever since the drivers were upstreamed into the linux kernel. No regrets. I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games, and getting all in a huff about it isn’t worth my time or energy. But consumer gotta consoooooo…

> I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games My favorite part about being a reformed gaming addict is the fact that my MacBook now covers ~100% of my computer use cases. The desktop is nice for Visual Studio but that's about it. I'm still running a 5700XT in my desktop. I have absolutely zero desire to upgrade.

Parallels is great for running Windows software on Mac. Ironically, what with the Microsoft push for Windows on ARM, increasingly more Windows software gets native ARM64 builds which are great for Parallels on Apple Silicon. And Visual Studio specifically is one of those.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by int_19h »

FredPret wrote: post #441
padjo wrote: post #303

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I played video games since I was a teenager. Loved them, was obsessed with them. Then sometime around 40 I just gave up. Not because of life pressure or lack of time but because I just started to find them really boring and unfulfilling. Now I’d much rather watch movies or read. I don’t know if the games changed or I changed.

I’m an ex-gamer, but I remember games in the 90’s and earlier 00’s being much more respecting of one’s time. You could still sink a ton of time into it if you wanted do, but you could also crank out a decent amount of fun in 5-15 minutes. Recently games seem to have been optimized to maximize play time rather than for fun density.

I would strongly disagree. If anything, it's the other way around - a typical 90s game had a fairly steep learning curve. Often no tutorials whatsoever, difficulty could be pretty high from the get go, players were expected to essentially learn through trial and error and failing a lot. Getting familiar enough with the game mechanics to stop losing all the time would often take a while, and could be frustrating while it lasted.

These days, AAA games are optimized for "reduced friction", which in practice usually means dumbing down the mechanics and the overall gameplay to remove everything that might annoy or frustrate the player. I was playing Avowed recently and the sheer amount of convenience features (e.g. the entire rest / fast travel system) was boggling.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by jabwd »

Mars008 wrote: post #267
bob1029 wrote: post #89

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> I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games My favorite part about being a reformed gaming addict is the fact that my MacBook now covers ~100% of my computer use cases. The desktop is nice for Visual Studio but that's about it. I'm still running a 5700XT in my desktop. I have absolutely zero desire to upgrade.

Still have 2080 RTX on primary desktop, it's more than enough for GUI. Just got PRO 6000 96GB for models tuning/training/etc. The cheapest 'good enough' for my needs option.

Is this like a computational + memory need? Otherwise one would think something like the framework desktop or a mac mini would be a better choice right?

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by jabwd »

esseph wrote: post #287
frollogaston wrote: post #61

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Also playing PC video games doesn't even require a Nvidia GPU. It does sorta require Windows. I don't want to use that, so guess I lost the ability to waste tons of time playing boring games, oh no.

Proton/Steam/ Linux works damn nearly flawlessly for /most/ games. I've gone through a Nvidia 2060, a 4060, and now an AMD 6700 XT. No issues even for release titles at launch.

What version of Linux do you run for that? I've had issues getting Fedora or Ubuntu or Mint to work with my Xbox controller + Bluetooth card combo, somehow Bazzite doesn't have these issues even though its based on Fedora and I don't know what I did wrong with the other distros.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by kbolino »

izacus wrote: post #504
kbolino wrote: post #411

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never seen this accusation before. I want to give the benefit of the doubt but I suspect it's confusing scalping with MSRP-baiting. It's important to note that nVidia mostly doesn't sell or even make finished consumer-grade GPUs. They own and develop the IP cores, and they contract with TSMC and others to make the chips, and they do make limited runs of "Founders Edition" cards, but most cards that are available…

Then you didn't follow the situation, since majority of EVGA anger was because nVidia wouldn't buy back their chips after EVGA failed to sell cards at hugely inflated price point. Then they tried to weaponize PR to beat nVidia into buying back their unsold cores they thought they'll massively profit off with inflated crypto hype prices.

Ok, this seems to be based entirely on speculation. It could very well be accurate but there's no statements I can find from either nVidia or EVGA corroborating it. Since it's done by the manufacturer themselves, it's more like gouging rather than scalping.

But more to the point, there's still a trail of blame going back to nVidia here. If EVGA could buy the cores at an inflated price, then nVidia should have raised its advertised MSRP to match. The reason I call it MSRP-baiting is not because I care about EVGA or any of these other rent-seekers, it's because it's a calculated lie weaponized against the consumer.

As I kind of implied already, it's probably for the best if this "partner" arrangement ends. There's no good reason nVidia can't sell all of its desktop GPUs directly to the consumer. EVGA may have bet big and lost from their own folly, but everybody else was in on it too (except video gamers, who got shafted).

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