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Sam Altman Slams Meta’s AI Talent Poaching: 'Missionaries Will Beat Mercenaries'

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Re: Sam Altman Slams Meta’s AI Talent Poaching: 'Missionaries Will Beat Mercenaries'

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Post by JKCalhoun »

scyzoryk_xyz wrote: post #491
qwertox wrote: post #467

Sam Altman is not a bit different than Mark Zuckerberg. His mission is to make money and get as much information to process about individuals, to be used for his benefit, all the rest is just blah blah.

It'll be a sad type of fun watching him become another disgusting and disconnected bazillionaire. Remember when Mark was a Honda Fit driving Palo Alto based founder focused on 'connecting people' and building a not yet profitable 'social network' to change the world? This is a repeat of the fight for talent that always happens with these things. It's all mercenary - it's all just business. Otherwise they'd remain an…

> Remember when Mark was a Honda Fit driving Palo Alto based founder focused on 'connecting people'…?

That Mark must have come after the Mark that created a site in college where the visitor compared two women and ranked which of the two were "hotter".

Re: Sam Altman Slams Meta’s AI Talent Poaching: 'Missionaries Will Beat Mercenaries'

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Post by thephyber »

btheunissen wrote: post #363
energy123 wrote: post #359

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want Sam to win more than I do Zuck, just based on the proven negativity generated by Meta. I don't want that individual or that company anywhere near additional capital, power, capability or influence.

At the start of the “LLM boom” I was optimistic that OAI/Anthropic were in a position finally unseat the Big 4 in at least this area. Now I’m convinced the only winners are going to be Google, Meta, Amazon, and we are right back to where we started.

I still have hope that Anthropic will win out over OpenAI.

But… Why put Meta in that group?

I see Apple, Google, Microsoft, and Amazon as all effectively having operating systems. Meta has none and has failed to build one for cryptocurrency (Libra / Deis) and metaverse.

Also, both Altman and Zuck leave a lot to be desired. Maybe not as much as Musk, but they both seem to be spineless against government coercion and neither gives me a sense that they are responsible stewards of the upside or downside risks of AGI. They both just seem like they are full throttle no matter the consequences.

Re: Sam Altman Slams Meta’s AI Talent Poaching: 'Missionaries Will Beat Mercenaries'

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Post by andsoitis »

TFYS wrote: post #349
zxexz wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Effectively kept secret and in the shadows by those working on it, until a world-altering public display makes it a hot politically charged issue, unaltering even 80 years later? Edit: Honestly, I bet that "Altman", directed by Nolan's simulacrum and starring a de-aged Cillian Murphy (with or without his consent), will in fact deservedly win a few oscars in 2069.

International co-operation to control development and usage. The decision to unleash AGI can only be made once. Making such a decision should not be done hastily, and definitely not for the reason of pursuing private profit. Such a decision needs input from all of humanity.

> International co-operation to control development and usage.

Non-starter. Why would you trust your adversary to "stay within the lanes". The rational thing to do is to extend your lead as much as possible to be at the top of the pyramid. The arms race is on.

Re: Sam Altman Slams Meta’s AI Talent Poaching: 'Missionaries Will Beat Mercenaries'

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Post by saubeidl »

tim333 wrote: post #474
saubeidl wrote: post #444

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's even crazier is that China are the good guys when it comes to open source AI.

One private company in China, funded by running a quant hedge fund. I'm not sure China as in Xi is good.

Alibaba and Baidu both open source their models as well.

Re: Sam Altman Slams Meta’s AI Talent Poaching: 'Missionaries Will Beat Mercenaries'

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Post by pm90 »

DanielHB wrote: post #338
sitkack wrote: post #183

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Anytime someone tells you to be in it for the mission, you are expendable and underpaid.

Crazy that this proves that engineers making >1 million USD /year can still be underpaid

Yes Capitalism is an amazing thing

Re: Sam Altman Slams Meta’s AI Talent Poaching: 'Missionaries Will Beat Mercenaries'

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Post by a4isms »

cue_the_strings wrote: post #486

When you hear him saying it, it's funny. When you hear this reiterated by employees, who actually believe it, then it's sad. Obviously not in this situation, but I've actually heard this from people. Some of them were even pros. "There is no fool like an educated fool."

Vocational Awe and the Lies We Tell Ourselves (2018):

https://www.inthelibrarywiththeleadpipe.org/2018/vocational-...

HN Discussion:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24602956

This has always applied to tech workers.

Re: Sam Altman Slams Meta’s AI Talent Poaching: 'Missionaries Will Beat Mercenaries'

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Post by Zambyte »

moralestapia wrote: post #228
pydry wrote: post #102

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Dont make the mistake of anthropomorphizing Mark Zuckerberg. He didnt open source anything because he's a "good guy", he's just commoditizing the complement. The "good guy" is a competitive environment that would render Meta's AI offerings to be irrelevant right now if it didnt open source.

>he's just commoditizing the complement That's a cool smaht phrase but help me understand, for which Meta products are LLMs a complement?

Their primary product: advertisements.

It takes content to sell advertisements online. LLMs produce an infinite stream of content.

Re: Sam Altman Slams Meta’s AI Talent Poaching: 'Missionaries Will Beat Mercenaries'

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Post by JKCalhoun »

bilsbie wrote: post #496

Dumb question. If they’re willing to pay so much for AI talent. Why won’t companies hire experienced software engineers willing to learn AI on the job? Seems like there should be a big market for that.

Perhaps it takes too long. The talent they do have would have to split their duties in order to train the incoming engineers.... Just a guess.

Re: Sam Altman Slams Meta’s AI Talent Poaching: 'Missionaries Will Beat Mercenaries'

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Post by corndoge »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #501
scyzoryk_xyz wrote: post #491

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It'll be a sad type of fun watching him become another disgusting and disconnected bazillionaire. Remember when Mark was a Honda Fit driving Palo Alto based founder focused on 'connecting people' and building a not yet profitable 'social network' to change the world? This is a repeat of the fight for talent that always happens with these things. It's all mercenary - it's all just business. Otherwise they'd remain an…

> Remember when Mark was a Honda Fit driving Palo Alto based founder focused on 'connecting people'…? That Mark must have come after the Mark that created a site in college where the visitor compared two women and ranked which of the two were "hotter".

People change, even from horny college nerd into altruistic missionary into oligarch. And even beyond.

Re: Sam Altman Slams Meta’s AI Talent Poaching: 'Missionaries Will Beat Mercenaries'

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Post by Zambyte »

alternatex wrote: post #344
bigiain wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google circa 2005? Twitter circa 2012? In 2025? Nobody, I don't think. Even Mozilla is turning into the bad guys these days.

Signal, Mastodon

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