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Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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It's doable now. Someone just needs to do it. With voice now it's completely doable. Just throw it all together add some effects and you've got a great movie... In theory

It's not a theory, at Cannes a feature movie has premiered that is generated entirely by AI. Made in Spain.

It's a great movie in theory. Idk how good the movie you mentioned is

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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post #311

Google hit the jackpot with their acquisition of YouTube and it's now paying dividend. YouTube is the largest single source of data and traffic on the Internet, and it's still growing fast. I think this data will prove incredibly important to robotics as well. It's a shame they sold Boston Dynamics in one of their dumbest ever moves because of bad PR.

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Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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AI video may be to Hollywood as photography was to painting. Photography wasn't "painting, but better" - it was a different thing. AI-native video may not resemble typical Hollywood 3-act structure. But if it takes enough eyeballs away from Hollywood then Hollywood will die all the same.

I think you're contradicting your own argument. Painting didn't die from photography. Photography increased the abstract and more creative aspects of painting and created a new style because photography removed much of the need to capture realism. Though, I am still entranced by realist painting style myself, it is serving different purpose than capturing a moment.

>Painting didn't die from photography.

Commercial portrait painters died out pretty fast.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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I don’t get how someone can look at these videos and think “wow there’s lots of flaws and it’s sloppy and no storytelling” rather than “holy smokes this stuff is improving fast!” In 2 years we have moved from AI video being mostly a pipe dream to some incredible clips! It’s not what this is like now, but what will it be like in 10 years!

In the era of more software advancements, people have perceived the progress of tech to be incremental more than the opposite. I think even tech bigwigs of the past have said extrapolation is a futile endeavor because technology is unpredictable.

Bill Gates saw computers and extrapolated that there would be one in every home, Gordon Moore produced Moores Law which literally extrapolated compute in the 60s and almost still holding, and you can extrapolate that GPT-5 will perform better than GPT-4, and that there will probably be a GPT-6 that will be even better than that.

Extrapolating that technology will get better in the future when it has got better in the past isn’t a sure bet, but it’s a reasonably reliable one.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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There were smartphones before the iPhone. One could also describe the difference as "just a touchscreen".

The iPhone 1 featured "touch screen, GPS, camera, iPod, and internet access. Its software capabilities were a turning point for the smartphone industry" (random source: https://www.textline.com/blog/smartphone-history ). If you want to doubt that it was in fact a not a turning point you'd need to provide very strong arguments.

as someone who owned a number of smartphones and PDAs prior to the first iPhone coming out, the real advance was a usable mobile browser. i'd had all the same capabilities with devices for quite some time before the iphone came out, but their browsers were painful to use. the touch interface was also a big advance over previous touch interfaces. in other areas the first iphone was lacking compared to other smartphones.. copy and paste and 3rd party apps were missing for example.

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>If you take any high quality AI content and ask their creator what their workflow is, you'll quickly discover that the complexity and nuance required to actually create something high-quality and something that actually "fulfills your vision" is incredibly complex This comes off as so tone deaf seeing your AI artwork is only possible due to the millions of hours spent by real people who created the art used to train…

I also feel unhappy when painters get formal art training which summarizes millions of human hours of work. Even worse they then go to Florence and waste their time stealing art by painting..exact copies of other people’s paintings! I feel a real artist would make their own tools: brushes, paint, canvas, and above all be truly creative by not unfairly using anything that’s gone before. If they did they aren’t creativ…

Spending thousands of hours honing a craft and along the way learning from those who came before you, is not the same as using these models. You're being overly reductive to try and force a similarity, but in the process you just come off as disingenuous.

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You might want to look up NeuralViz on YouTube. 180k subscribers. They've been building out an entire cinematic universe using AI video tools. And it's by far the funniest show I've watched in years. So the claim that "let you engage beyond an individual clip will not be possible for a long time" isn't true. People are already doing it. https://www.youtube.com/@NeuralViz

Since the first GenAI started popping up, many people have glossed over the fact that they are just tools. All the anger from artists and keyboard warriors completely ignored the fact that you still need skill and time to make something good with these tools. Artists aren't going to be replaced by AI tools being used by me on my iPhone, those artists were already replaced by bulk art from IKEA et al. Artists who reje…

>Artists aren't going to be replaced by AI tools being used by me on my iPhone

Except they already are.

https://societyofauthors.org/2024/04/11/soa-survey-reveals-a...

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Can we talk about the elephant in the room, porn and i mean the weird and dangerous one? that moment in history of AI is going to happen and when it did shit will hit the fan.

AI porn already exist. Im pretty sure kid/child ai porn already exist somewhere. But i'm quite lucky despite knowing rotten.com and plenty of other sides, never having seen real so i doubt i will see fake child porn. Whats the elephant in the room now? Nothing changed. Whoever consumes real will consume fake too. FBI/CIA will still try to destroy cp rings. We could even think it might make this situation somehow bett…

I've already seen headlines about this:

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/02/25-arrested-so-f...

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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How does a prompt describe creativity? It's a vision so far off that it's so frustrating because greater creativity came from limited tools, greater creativity came from imperfections, a different point of view, love, a slightly off touch of a painter or a guitar player, the wood of the instrument and the humidity affecting. I can go on and on, prompts are a reduction to the minimum term of everything you'd want to d…

Huh? is poem not creative? If I write a poem and tell AI to create a painting that expresses that poem visually, is that not creative?

No it's not because you aren't creating the painting, the AI is. Having an idea is not sufficient to create art, you have to sit down and actually create it. If you hired a painter to create the work based off your poem, I'm not going to attribute that painters creation to you.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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How is the requirement to use a computer and maybe pay a cloud subscription in the long term more accessible than other kinds of art? Which individuals are gatekept exactly? Before you bring up disabled people (as often happens when the term accessibility is used), know that many of them are not happy to be used as a shield for this without ever being asked and would rather speak for themselves. I've tried AI image g…

>How is the requirement to use a computer and maybe pay a cloud subscription in the long term more accessible than other kinds of art? Because many other kinds of art require thousands of hours to learn before getting to the level of current AI The real gate keeper to art isn't the cost of a pencil, it's the opportunity cost of learning how to use it Some people have creative ideas they cannot realise and tools like…

>The more people that can realise their creative ideas the better it is for everyone

There is a fundamental misunderstanding of creating going on here. There's a reason why people always talk about the work/journey/process rather than the end goal. That's what makes someone an artist--not the end result.

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