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Post by Spacecosmonaut »

brookst wrote: post #452
istjohn wrote: post #419

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> No guarantees that Google discover a meaningful business model here... I don't understand this sentiment at all. The business model writes itself (so to speak). This is the company that perfected the art of serving up micro-targeted ads to people at the moment they are seeking a solution to a problem. Just swap the search box for a chat bot. For a while they'll keep the ads off to the side, but over time the ads wi…

I don’t think it works. Search is the perfect place for ads for exactly the reasons you state: people have high intent. But a majority of chatbot usage is not searching for the solution to a problem. And if he Chatbot is serving the ads when I’m using it for creative writing, reformatting text, having a python function, written, etc, I’m going to be annoyed and switch to a different product. Search is all about infor…

Obviously, an LLM is in a perfect position to decide whether an add can be "injected" into the current conversation. If you're using it for creative writing it will be add free. But chances are you will also use it to solve real world problems where relevant adds can be injected via product or service suggestions.

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Post by ViktorRay »

tkgally wrote: post #99

> Gemini 2.5 Pro in Deep Research mode is twice as good as OpenAI’s Deep Research That matches my impression. For the past month or two, I have been running informal side-by-side tests of the Deep Research products from OpenAI, Perplexity, and Google. OpenAI was clearly winning—more complete and incisive, and no hallucinated sources that I noticed. That changed a few days ago, when Google switched their Deep Research…

Thanks for sharing your prompting technique. I will try to use that technique in the future as well.

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Post by crazygringo »

rzz3 wrote: post #153
levocardia wrote: post #51

Google is winning on every front except... marketing (Google has a chatbot?), trust (who knew the founding fathers were so diverse?), safety (where's the 2.5 Pro model card?), market share (fully one in ten internet users on the planet are weekly ChatGPT users), and, well, vibes (who's rooting for big G, exactly?). But I will admit, Gemini Pro 2.5 is a legit good model. So, hats off for that.

You really hit the nail on the head with trust. Knowing the power of these AIs and how absolutely little I trust Google, I’d never tell trust Gemini with the things I’ll say to ChatGPT.

That's curious.

Large corporations wind up creating internal policies, controls, etc. If you know anyone who works in engineering at Google, you'll find out about the privacy and security reviews required in launching code.

Startups, on the other hand, are the wild west. One policy one day, another the next, engineers are doing things that don't follow either policy, the CEO is selling data, and then they run out of money and sell all the data to god knows who.

Google is pretty stable. OpenAI, on the other hand, has been mega-drama you could make a movie out of. Who knows what it's going to be doing with data two or four years from now?

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Post by dimal »

asadalt wrote: post #463
Lerc wrote: post #423

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LLMs should be legally required to act in the interest of their users (not their creators). This is a standard that already applies to positions of advisors such as Medical professionals, lawyers and financial advisors. I haven't seen this discussed much by regulators, but I have made a couple of submissions here and there expressing this opinion. AIs will get better, and they will become more trusted. They cannot be…

but that would kill monetization no?

Of course not. You’d have to pay for the product, just like we do with every other product in existence, other than software.

Software is the only type of product where this is even an issue. And we’re stuck with this model because VCs need to see hockey stick growth, and that generally doesn’t happen to paid products.

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Post by yimby2001 »

codelion wrote: post #114
codelord wrote: post #31

As an Ex-OpenAI employee I agree with this. Most of the top ML talent at OpenAI already have left to either do their own thing or join other startups. A few are still there but I doubt if they'll be around in a year. The main successful product from OpenAI is the ChatGPT app, but there's a limit on how much you can charge people for subscription fees. I think soon people expect this service to be provided for free an…

It's interesting to hear your perspective as a former OpenAI employee. The point about the sustainability of subscription fees for chatbots is definitely something worth considering. Many developers mention the challenge of balancing user expectations for free services with the costs of maintaining sophisticated AI models. I think the ad-supported model might become more prevalent, but it also comes with its own set…

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Post by dunefox »

philsnow wrote: post #164
rzz3 wrote: post #153

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You really hit the nail on the head with trust. Knowing the power of these AIs and how absolutely little I trust Google, I’d never tell trust Gemini with the things I’ll say to ChatGPT.

> how absolutely little I trust Google, I’d never tell trust Gemini with the things I’ll say to ChatGPT. Are you pretty sure that Google won't eventually buy OpenAI and thus learn everything you've said to ChatGPT?

It's not about the information, but the connection to all Google services.

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Post by mdp2021 »

chuckadams wrote: post #390
coliveira wrote: post #354

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who cares, only ideologues care about this.

Caring about truth is indeed obsolete. I'm dropping out of this century.

> Caring about truth

I suggest reducing the tolerance towards the insistence that opinions are legitimate. Normally, that is done through active debate and rebuttal. The poison has been spread through echochambers and lack of direct strong replies.

In other terms: they let it happen, all the deliriousness of especially the past years was allowed to happen through silence, as if impotent shrugs...

(By the way: I am not talking about "reticence", which is the occasional context here: I am talking about deliriousness, which is much worse than circumventing discussion over history. The real current issue is that of "reinventing history".)

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Post by gessha »

squigz wrote: post #493
gessha wrote: post #491

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For me it’s less about trustworthiness and more about what they can do with the information. Google can potentially locate, profile and influence everyone around me and I don’t want that type of power however benevolent they are. What can OpenAI do? They can sell my data, whatever, it’s a whole bunch of prompts of me asking for function and API syntax.

Do you think Google doesn't sell that data, or that other companies don't collect and resell it? In either case, I'm sure that's how it starts. "This company has very little power and influence; what damage can they do?" Until, oh so suddenly, they're tracking and profiling you and selling that data.

Based on some friends in Google, I don’t think they explicitly sell it but live ad auction is something I’m wary of.

Also, it’s less about what they currently do but what they’re capable of. A Cold War of privacy of sorts.

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